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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#404251: Mar 15th 2023 at 8:43:40 AM

So, might as well destroy it.

Wake me up at your own risk.
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#404252: Mar 15th 2023 at 8:58:45 AM

It would just be replaced by something else.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#404253: Mar 15th 2023 at 9:09:53 AM

It takes time and effort to do that sort of thing, perhaps long enough for Republicans to lose the next election (hopium).

Edited by ScubaWolf on Mar 15th 2023 at 12:10:01 PM

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#404254: Mar 15th 2023 at 9:10:04 AM

Fox isn't covering the lawsuit, so most of their viewers will never even know this is going on.

I recall a snippet from a focus group of Republicans (twice Trump voting, white Evangelicals) where they were complaining about how you can't trust anyone in the media. Naturally a bunch of them still said they got their news from Fox. A few said Fox and other right wing media.

One person surprised me by saying she watched Fox but also would check CNN and MSNBC. It surprised one of the analyst too, so much so that he asked her about it afterwards. But after some prodding she admitted that she didn't actually watch the latter two.

Which I found interesting because I took from that exchange that the lady was aware that just saying Fox made her sound partisan, and she didn't want to be see as such, but also wasn't willing to do something a simple as change the channel for a few minutes.

ITNW1989 a from Big Meat, USA Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#404255: Mar 15th 2023 at 9:57:51 AM

[up]x3 That may be the case, but deplatforming still works to some degree, as evidenced by the fracture that happened when Reddit finally banned r/TheDonald; none of the replacement subreddits or even websites the mods of the subreddit built ever managed to draw the same numbers as TD originally did.

Hitokiri in the streets, daishouri in the sheets.
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#404256: Mar 15th 2023 at 10:08:05 AM

Fox isn't covering the lawsuit, so most of their viewers will never even know this is going on.
I think it was mentioned once, by Howard Kurtz. aka not one of the RWNJ shows and thus not watched by as many viewers.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#404257: Mar 15th 2023 at 10:12:54 AM

I wonder what prompted them to finally address it on air.

Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
aidreamer Since: Aug, 2011
#404259: Mar 15th 2023 at 10:27:37 AM

The funny thing is, I've heard rumors that Rupert Murdoch hates Trump and his followers and would love it if they were completely annihilated. The problem is, these same nutcases are also his customers. So he's stuck playing multiple sides and talking out both ends of his mouth.

shadowblack Since: Jun, 2010
#404260: Mar 15th 2023 at 10:34:51 AM

[up][up]Trump is not even mentioned in the linked article, so why bring him up?

Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
#404261: Mar 15th 2023 at 10:44:18 AM

Because at least he admitted he would support oil drilling.

Instead of campaigning on not ever doing it before, well, doing it.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#404262: Mar 15th 2023 at 11:07:29 AM

From what I read, it seems to be the result of some kind of compromise and he's stated that there are steps taken to minimize collateral damage. I have misinterpreted things like this before however.

Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
#404263: Mar 15th 2023 at 11:19:57 AM

“We finally did it, Willow is finally reapproved, and we can almost literally feel Alaska’s future brightening because of it,” Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska said in a statement, adding that Alaska is “now on the cusp of creating thousands of new jobs, generating billions of dollars in new revenues” and “improving quality of life on the North Slope and across our state.”

The "compromise" is basically saying "sure we'll drill here, but we won't drill elsewhere". Which can probably be translated "until a Big Oil company lobbies hard enough to make us change our mind".

But hey! Jobs and money! That's what matters! The planet? Pah.

2023 sounds like the perfect year to tie a local industry for decades to oil drilling. I takes being a real visionary to see it.

Edited by Bexlerfu on Mar 15th 2023 at 7:21:24 PM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#404264: Mar 15th 2023 at 11:29:39 AM

It should be noted that 3 of the 5 sites have been approved, so there is a compromise element. Also, the analysis I’m seeing seems to say that Biden authorised this one because the courts weren’t going to allow a blanket ban on new drilling sites.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
#404265: Mar 15th 2023 at 11:35:35 AM

It's not because it is a compromise that it is not shitty.

And the fact that a constitution doesn't even allow you to actually respect climate agreements and stop oil drilling is even shittier.

Plus that's the kind of shitty that is unlikely to have consequences limited to the US, as most carbon dioxide molecules tend to not really respect natural borders.

I will have the same reaction if tomorrow we read news such as "Lula agrees to one giant new soy field in the Amazon to protect other areas of the forest". If the best you can do is "60% of the current environmental disaster", it is clearly not good enough, and it does not make me want to find excuses.

Edited by Bexlerfu on Mar 15th 2023 at 7:35:51 PM

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#404266: Mar 15th 2023 at 12:20:58 PM

Democrats gonna Democrat

Do not obey in advance.
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#404267: Mar 15th 2023 at 12:23:56 PM

It's not a compromise. Biden knew that he was going to lose this one anyway, so he turned lemons into lemonaid by allowing it first. Still leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, but he isn't being irrational.

"It takes time and effort to do that sort of thing, perhaps long enough for Republicans to lose the next election (hopium)."

I actually think our chances are pretty good right now, but that's more because the Republicans are collapsing under their own contradictions rather than any sort of aggressive attack against their platforms.

You can't simply "deplatform" 45 million voters, it's too late at that point. The horse is out of the barn, everyone has been exposed to the (toxic) messages, and made up their minds. We win by offering a more positive vision that appeals to more independents than they do. We win by actually solving the nation's problems. To do that we need to build a level of trust, and to do that we need to deliver a consistent message and follow through on our promises.

The Democratic party has had a problem with that in the past.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#404268: Mar 15th 2023 at 12:24:12 PM

I read somewhere that the lease for the land had already been approved in 1999 and that they would rather let this go than risk a court challenge that would open up all of the land.

[nja][up] Yeah, that. He's trying to spin a potential loss by acting like "oh no, we intended for that to happen". Which still makes them look weak, just from a different angle. Presumably they felt looking weak to the base was a smaller loss than looking weak in the courts.

Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 15th 2023 at 12:26:44 PM

ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#404269: Mar 15th 2023 at 1:05:51 PM

Or he agreed with Mary Peltola that:

"In the short term, this project will provide thousands of good-paying union jobs and help jump-start Alaska’s economy. In the long term, the revenues from Willow will pay for essential state services like public safety and investments in our education system. Crucially, this revenue source will also give the state options to address large challenges like our changing climate and economic outmigration. At a time when Republican and Democratic leaders in Alaska are both discussing the importance of investing in education to meet these challenges, Willow is the obvious choice to realize the revenue needed for those investments. By keeping the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System alive, this project will help give Alaska a fighting chance to find new paths forward to a cleaner economy.

I am glad for the release of the Final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement and urge the Biden Administration to move forward with final approval of the project by selecting the preferred Alternative E plan, which allows 3 drill sites, the minimum for Willow to remain economically viable. Anything less would effectively kill the project, amounting to a backdoor veto over the people of Alaska, who have made their voices heard through a broad coalition of labor, business, community, and Alaska Native leaders. This coalition includes the Inupiat Community of the North Slope, the North Slope Borough, the Arctic Slope Regional Corporation, and more. The Willow project has been thoroughly studied and has earned a social license from the region and the state—it’s time to let Alaskans get to work."

(https://peltola.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=81)

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#404270: Mar 15th 2023 at 1:19:04 PM

If he agreed with her then he has the wrong priorities. Global civilization is rushing towards catastrophe, more drilling is a disaster.

This may very well be the least bad option but that doesn't mean it's good. Far from it. If our society was rational it would be marshalling its resources to transition to renewable energy as quickly as possible. But it's not. Biden isn't solely responsible for that but he is still play a role, and for that history won't be kind.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#404271: Mar 15th 2023 at 1:27:12 PM

Trying to address that by restricting oil supply rather than increasing renewable supply strikes me as both unwise and unlikely to be effective, but we'll see.

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#404272: Mar 15th 2023 at 1:33:53 PM

Yeah from all accounts Biden didn't have much choice here. The project wad approved unanimously by Alaskan congress and had broad support from Alaskans including several native groups. If it went to a legal fight it wouldn't have gone well for Biden, while they at least cancelled two of the sires and the company is abandoning land leases on those sites.

But of course, people would rather blame Biden and the Democrats for what Alaska thinks, wants and supported rather than put the blame on the people actually responsible.

Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
#404273: Mar 15th 2023 at 1:37:15 PM

Irrespective of how bad this drilling project is, I do notice that everything bad that Biden does gets immense pushback on this forum while the good things he does are barely mentionned.

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#404274: Mar 15th 2023 at 1:40:08 PM

I do see a trend where Democrats are crucified over things they have little control over yet the Republicans responsible for those things never get that level of vitriol.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#404275: Mar 15th 2023 at 1:47:02 PM

Yeah, legally the administration's hands were tied on the Willow project. source:

The Biden administration was limited by legal restraints in reviewing the Willow oil project, according to a White House official who said the company had valid rights on the land because of decades-old leases.

The administration was convinced the courts would have blocked an outright rejection of the Willow project and potentially imposed fines on the government, said the official, who spoke about the White House’s considerations on the condition of anonymity.

This wasn't Biden granting a new lease. They already had the lease. Biden can't go back in time and un-grant the lease, but he did get the oil company to reduce the size of the planned drilling project, return some of the leased land that they no longer plan to use, and put additional environmental protections in place for the drilling that is going forward.

But sure, the headline is "BIDEN APPROVES OIL PROJECT" because of course it is.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

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