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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Jan 13th 2021 at 12:43:54 PM

Steny Hoyer is knocking it out of the park.

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clemont107 Pokťmon Trainer from Mistralton, Unova Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Pokťmon Trainer
Jan 13th 2021 at 12:44:13 PM

[up][up]Had Lincoln or any of his fellow Republicans been alive today, they would have immediately switched to the Democratic Party upon learning what the GOP has become.

I need a drink of coffee.
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany
Foreign Troper
Jan 13th 2021 at 12:47:19 PM

I'd pay good money for seeing Abe and Teddy giving Trump a good, old-fashioned verbal beatdown.

Belief Makes You Stupid indeed.
Jan 13th 2021 at 12:47:37 PM

[up][up] I know, hence the use of scare quotes when using the term "The Party of Lincoln".

Edited by singularityshot on Jan 13th 2021 at 12:47:46 PM

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Jan 13th 2021 at 12:49:47 PM

Lincoln had multiple opportunities to speak to Booth's better angels. Lincoln made multiple efforts to appeal to Booth's better angels through his speeches and publications. Booth was there when Lincoln promised malice towards none and charity for all. Booth shot him for it.

Nevertheless, you must persist.
Jan 13th 2021 at 12:51:03 PM

[up] You worded that much better than I could / did. Thank you.

Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Jan 13th 2021 at 12:52:59 PM

Steny Hoyer.

Epic Mic Drop.

After many, many MANY others today.

Plus, he additionally made the Republican Whip look like a tool (not that he didn't do a good job of that himself).

Peter Meijer has also declared his support, so that's seven who have publicly declared support.

Edited by Pendrake on Jan 13th 2021 at 12:54:50 PM

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Protagonist506 from 'MURICA Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Jan 13th 2021 at 12:55:37 PM

Whatís the score looking like right now?

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Jan 13th 2021 at 12:58:10 PM

Vote only just started.

CNN basically just broke down the Republicans into four Categories.

The ones in support of Impeachment.

The principled ones with actual arguments. which i can respect.

The What-Abouters (the vast majority of them). Some of which are INCREDIBLY stupid.

And Kevin McCarthy. Because, you know, Kevin Mc Carthy.

Edited by Pendrake on Jan 13th 2021 at 1:02:22 AM

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SatoshiBakura    Reborn after four years.    from    The Shadow Realm    Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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Jan 13th 2021 at 12:58:27 PM

Currently a few more votes for than against, mostly on party lines with a few Republicans voting for.

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Scarecrow4774 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhq87CWN3iY from Massachusetts Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Jan 13th 2021 at 1:02:25 PM

[up][up] McCarthy is in his own category?

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AlleyOop Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Jan 13th 2021 at 1:03:07 PM

I can't watch at the moment. Aside from due process, what other principled arguments have been raised on the matter?

Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Jan 13th 2021 at 1:05:09 PM

[up]Basically they want respect of due process. Which is fair. Other than that, I'd have to re-watch all of them.

It's entirely possible we'll see a bunch of "Pres" from those guys.

Present, rather than picking a side.

[up][up]And yes, because he basically tossed all the blame on Trump and tried to absolve himself of any blame.

Well, that's 7 votes.

That said, CNN just mentioned two more republicans've publicly announced coming over.

Also, apparently Trump, according to a Sneior Adviser, is currently wetting himself and going "what will this do to my Brand!?"

Edited by Pendrake on Jan 13th 2021 at 1:11:20 AM

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Jan 13th 2021 at 1:10:59 PM

What was the " epic mic drop"?

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Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy
Jan 13th 2021 at 1:13:09 PM

I don't respect the "due process" people quite as much. They had an impeachment that followed all the rules and still decided that Trump wasn't an issue.

And the due process they're talking about is discovery and witness questioning. Which is completely unnecessary here because Trump did basically everything short of literally screaming "I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THIS" at everyone and all the people who participated in the attempted coup weren't exactly quiet about being incited by Trump.

The due process people here are trying to stall because the longer it takes, the more likely it is that this whole thing will sputter out and they can start saying "why bother impeaching a former President? Shouldn't we just leave him alone, he's suffered enough."

Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Jan 13th 2021 at 1:13:46 PM

[up][up]Honestly, his speech is too long to really point out everything, but a lot of it was pointing out the complete bullshit the Retrumplicans had just been spouting.

Once there's a clip of the full thing, someone'll post it.

[up] That, and they're trying to cover their asses either way the wind blows. "See! I was reasonable!"

Edited by Pendrake on Jan 13th 2021 at 1:15:31 AM

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SatoshiBakura    Reborn after four years.    from    The Shadow Realm    Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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Jan 13th 2021 at 1:16:16 PM

Iím hearing from CNN that Hope Hicks left.

Edited by SatoshiBakura on Jan 13th 2021 at 4:17:24 AM

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Jan 13th 2021 at 1:18:57 PM

That's 9.

207 votes. 217 needed.

210.

211.

212.

215.

217. It's happening folks.

Edited by Pendrake on Jan 13th 2021 at 1:23:30 AM

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SatoshiBakura    Reborn after four years.    from    The Shadow Realm    Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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Jan 13th 2021 at 1:22:54 PM

Trump has been officially impeached a second time.

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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Jan 13th 2021 at 1:24:34 PM

10 Republicans voted for it.

I wonder who the last one was.

Edited by Pendrake on Jan 13th 2021 at 1:25:27 AM

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Protagonist506 from 'MURICA Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Jan 13th 2021 at 1:24:46 PM

Nicely done. What happens now?

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
That Guy
Jan 13th 2021 at 1:26:06 PM

[up]The process of impeachment. For better or worse.

[down]TBH, the outcome isn't something i can predict.

Though, regardless, this is going to hurt Trump's brand. Which he will bitch about constantly.

Edited by Pendrake on Jan 13th 2021 at 1:29:51 AM

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Protagonist506 from 'MURICA Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Jan 13th 2021 at 1:27:35 PM

I mean to say, whatís the process? And what outcomes are likely?

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
Cris_Meyers reluctant author, willing misanthrope from Chicagoland Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
reluctant author, willing misanthrope
Jan 13th 2021 at 1:29:39 PM

Short version: Senate holds a trial, 2/3rds majority required to convict.

Edited by Cris_Meyers on Jan 13th 2021 at 3:30:16 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Relationship Status: It's complicated
Jan 13th 2021 at 1:30:14 PM

The Senate has to hold a trial at some stage, but Mitch might well wait until Biden is in. That means a choice between delaying the trial (which reduces the chances of enough Republicans voting to convict as tempers cool over time), or delaying Biden's vital confirmations and his initial agenda (chiefly, COVID relief) for weeks.

Either way, I don't expect enough Republicans to vote to sanction Trump. But there will be an actual trial with evidence this time, because in a week or so the Democrats take control of the chamber.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Jan 13th 2021 at 5:30:27 AM

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