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Edited by Fighteer on Nov 17th 2020 at 4:27:33 AM

Ultimatum ◕ Disasturbator from England,inside an Amiga Forest Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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Nov 21st 2020 at 11:29:46 AM

> America deserves a Donald Trump presidential library as a reminder of what they allowed to happen.

My proposal is a replica of the White house but it's purposefully run down and there's a giant stone hand point towards it,that would get the point across I think

A literal spite house basically

Edited by Ultimatum on Nov 21st 2020 at 7:30:01 PM

in the hall of the Mountain king....
Protagonist506 from 'MURICA Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Nov 21st 2020 at 11:35:31 AM

Personally, I'd say let there be a Donald Trump Library, just don't draw any attention to it.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
PointMaid .EXE-terminate! .EXE-terminate!
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Nov 21st 2020 at 11:43:42 AM

The DT Library I would build?

An institution dedicated to academic fact-checking of every single piece of official communication of his ever.

And yes, that includes Tweets.

Edited by PointMaid on Nov 21st 2020 at 2:44:48 PM

I'm gonna need a bigger bookshelf. And a bigger coffee mug.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Relationship Status: It's complicated
Nov 21st 2020 at 11:47:51 AM

Honestly, its probably just going to be a big gift shop, full of overpriced and substandard junk.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Nov 21st 2020 at 11:48:32 AM

TBH, the Rittenhouse sitch seems too damn fishy for me in every aspect.

Mean, you've got him, and then you've got the three guys who DID attack him (it's on camera from at least ten different Cellphones that they initiated), who all happened to have rap sheets for violent crimes, and three of the four were from out of State.

All of them just happening to be there that night is a bit too much of a Contrived Coincidence for me. Mean, hell, given Trump trying to get the Army deployed there BEFORE that happened makes me think the Trump Campaign actually planted some guys into the protest to try and make it turn violent. Not like it'd be the first time something like that happened, if anyone recalls the simultaneous riots in Vancouver and Boston when Boston won the Stanley Cup nearly a decade ago. There were inciters waiting to start shit regardless of who won.

I mean, I know I sound like a Conspiracy Theorist, but that night playing out like it did is WAY too convenient.

Edited by Pendrake on Nov 21st 2020 at 11:50:04 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Nov 21st 2020 at 11:55:16 AM

The electoral college wasn't foisted on the country by some outside influence.

This is a very poor argument, even if 100% of early Americans supported it that doesn't make the contemporary Americans responsible.

And the Electoral College didn't force tens of millions of voters to support Trump. Or cause non suppressed voters to stay home in 2016.

Good thing absolutely no one has argued otherwise.

They claimed that "America" chose Trump when in reality more people opposed him then supported him. Ergo their claim was false.

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Nov 21st 2020 at 12:00:04 PM

America's institutions enabled his rise. Not every single American bears responsiblity for Trump, not even most. America, however, absolutely does.

Edited by Perseus on Nov 22nd 2020 at 7:10:57 AM

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country
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Nov 21st 2020 at 12:00:57 PM

I think the generalization is less about broadly painting a majority of America as Trump supporters and more meant to highlight how the pillars the country is founded on, i.e. America as an identity, are ultimately the things that enabled someone like Trump to take office with the wholehearted, blind, and unflinchingly loyal support of a little under half the country.

Best analogy I can think of is that, if someone were to say "Wal-Mart sucks and deserves to plummet" that'd be referring to the corporate entity and not the elderly cashier that didn't really have a choice.

([nja])

Edited by NesClassic on Nov 21st 2020 at 12:01:27 PM

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Parable So I Am Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
So I Am
Nov 21st 2020 at 12:02:40 PM

"Regardless they're not giving up and plan to reach out to voters in different ways (e.g. meeting those who voted for the new state flag and medical marijuana)."

I want to come back to this. First off, Godspeed to the Mississippi Democrats. Secondly, I was listening to Abrams in an interview earlier and she talked about how her efforts began back in 2011. Her and the works of others as well began almost a decade ago. That's the kind of effort and long term outreach people need to keep in mind if any of us join Mississippi Democrats in trying to turn out red areas blue.

Nevertheless, you must persist.
Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Nov 21st 2020 at 12:08:22 PM

[up]The news article cites Marvin King (a political scientist at Mississipi University) as saying that it's possible the GOP will become so extreme eventually the democrats will have a shot at persuading moderate voters and slowly gain a majority that way, but that he sees this as a "20 year scenario".

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Nov 21st 2020 at 12:10:21 PM

Edit:

Just a few more days until certification.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 21st 2020 at 12:11:27 PM

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Parable So I Am Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
So I Am
Nov 21st 2020 at 12:26:54 PM

I'm also still curious about that dip in black male support and what can be done to win back their favor.

Nevertheless, you must persist.
ScubaWolf from South Carolina
Nov 21st 2020 at 12:51:44 PM

[up] Police reform, forgiving student debt, universal health care, quite a number of things people are calling radical that are needed for a functioning society. In other words, "radical leftist" ideas.

Nov 21st 2020 at 12:56:30 PM

[up]Are you saying those men think they're going to get that from Republicans? Because otherwise the swing to them still doesn't make sense.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 21st 2020 at 2:56:55 PM

Nov 21st 2020 at 1:03:20 PM

I think itís more that people canshave have political views and wishes that draw from both sides of the political spectrum. If a person has views that draw them to the Republicans or to Trump (social conservatism, or a general value for brashness and Type A personalities) and other values that draw them towards the Democrats (availability of health care and higher education, not wanting to be killed by police), but the Democrats arenít actually offering them anything meaningful on their leftward values, then they might go for the Republicans because theyíre offering something that aligns with the rightward values.

ScubaWolf from South Carolina
Nov 21st 2020 at 1:05:52 PM

[up][up] No, I'm saying it's easier to swing people to your side if you give them things that help them. In terms of the blacks who went for Trump...I'm going to take a wild probably wrong guess and say they're Boomerang Bigots.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Nov 21st 2020 at 4:06:01 AM

CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Nov 21st 2020 at 1:25:39 PM

LMAO I didn't know if it was actually going to go that far, but the idea that the GOP's own voters would refuse to vote out of protest in the runoffs is hilarious.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
Parable So I Am Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
So I Am
Nov 21st 2020 at 1:31:01 PM

Don't get too excited. Twitter is not real life and Parlor is a discount white nationalists Twitter.

Nevertheless, you must persist.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Nov 21st 2020 at 1:45:35 PM

It would be deeply amusing if Trump's rhetoric against the election cost them the Senate. And it's not like it would be unprecedented, Trump's anti-ballot rhetoric played a major role in him losing Georgia after all.

I'm not betting on it definitely screwing the Republicans over but there is a very real possibility.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Nov 21st 2020 at 1:46:22 AM

CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
Author
Nov 21st 2020 at 1:49:42 PM

I imagine it will cost them some fanatics. But there's many who weren't voting Republican but Trump anyway.

Author of The Supervillainy Saga, Cthulhu Armageddon, The United States of Monsters, and Lucifer's Star.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Nov 21st 2020 at 2:04:04 PM

I imagine it will cost them some fanatics. But there's many who weren't voting Republican but Trump anyway.

IIRC a supermajority of Republicans accept the voter fraud narrative, it could cost them more than a few fanatics.


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