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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Feb 6th 2020 at 4:18:00 PM

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Sep 16th 2020 at 6:26:58 PM

The Trump campaign has been pretending that Biden's president for some time now.


Hey remember when Wisconsin had the chance to actually get rid of Ron Johnson in 2016 and decided, "Nah."?

It amazes me that a state can have two Senators as disparate as Tammy Baldwin and Ron Johnson.

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Sep 16th 2020 at 6:27:03 PM

Trump is the most asinine Inferiority Superiority Complex example there is.

He keeps acting like Biden is President because he feels he can't measure up.

And he can't.

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Sep 16th 2020 at 6:38:54 PM

I think it has to do with how Trump likes to present himself as the outsider, the underdog. And that's hard when he's the one in charge.

Basically, he's trying to have the same dynamic he had with Obama, as the outsider criticizing the sitting president. That's what he's most comfortable with. Why do you think he kept yammering on about Clinton so long after she stopped being relevant?

Vote for Biden, or constitutional Chernobyl will come.
Sep 16th 2020 at 6:42:50 PM

The debates are going to be hilarious at this rate. Never would you have imagined that the killer line in a debate would be "I'm not the President" as if that was news to the other party.

What else should we put on our bingo card? Trump actually calling Biden President in the present tense? Trump trying to slam Biden's record as a failed businessman? Biden having to coach Trump through a full-on psychological break?

Sep 16th 2020 at 6:44:04 PM

CNN: Attorney General Barr suggests charging violent protesters with sedition

Attorney General William Barr expressed frustration with some local and state prosecutors' handling of riot-related crimes, telling top Justice Department prosecutors that he wants them to be aggressive in bringing charges related to protest violence, including exploring using a rarely used sedition law, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Since taking office in 2019, Barr has lashed out at a group of left-leaning district attorneys in cities around the country who have sought to change the way they prosecute low-level drug and other crimes.

It's a theme that has gained traction in conservative media, which Barr follows closely, and he is known to focus on the issue from time to time. Still, some federal prosecutors were taken aback last week when the attorney general brought up the possibility of charging violent protesters with sedition, which makes it a crime to conspire to overthrow the US government.

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Sep 16th 2020 at 6:45:36 PM

No way those charges would actually stick, right?

People say I have a problem with authority. I say that authority has a problem with me.
Sep 16th 2020 at 6:48:38 PM

I'd hope not. According to the article,

In 2010, federal prosecutors charged members of a Christian militia called the Hutarees with seditious conspiracy. They were acquitted for lack of evidence. Federal prosecutors were successful in using the law against Puerto Rican separatists in the 1930s.

this law is a very rarely used one. I can't imagine anyone taking this seriously, except of course, the Attorney General is pushing it.

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Sep 16th 2020 at 6:56:52 PM

Incidentally, I'd argue part of the whole "Deep State" narrative is to defuse what would otherwise be a Logic Bomb for conspiracy theorists who support him. Namely, the fact that 'their own guy' is now in a position of very considerable power and basically in the same position they'd normally reserve for the Big Bad of their narratives.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
Sep 16th 2020 at 7:14:10 PM

[up] The conspiracy theories about the deep state, and Trump acting like Biden is president now, not to mention the overall rhetoric about how liberals and socialists are going to destroy America, are consistent with usual attitude of authoritarians that they themselves always the underdog/victim/persecuted minority, while anyone that dares to resist, the actual victims of their policies, are demonized as the enemy, the shadowy cabal hiding everywhere pulling the strings and must be destroyed no matter what it takes. It's not just the right wing in the US, it can be found pretty much anywhere where any group that has amassed a lot of power for decades find themselves challenged by even the smallest opposition.

Edited by Alycus on Sep 16th 2020 at 7:15:01 AM

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Sep 16th 2020 at 7:15:01 PM

Trump pretending Biden is president kinda sounds like he's given up.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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Sep 16th 2020 at 8:10:42 PM

Incidentally, I'd argue part of the whole "Deep State" narrative is to defuse what would otherwise be a Logic Bomb for conspiracy theorists who support him. Namely, the fact that 'their own guy' is now in a position of very considerable power and basically in the same position they'd normally reserve for the Big Bad of their narratives.

Serious question: Can I use this description? Another forum I'm on had Deep State come up in conversation and this is a pretty good description.

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 16th 2020 at 8:11:54 AM

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Sep 16th 2020 at 8:17:49 PM

Qanon is something that justifies racism and treating the Democrats as demons. It doesn't require you to explain how Trump has accomplished nothing in the past few years. The Deep State is apparently so powerful that controlling the Senate, House, and Presidency meant nothing.

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Sep 16th 2020 at 8:22:52 PM

There's an article from Washington Post titled "Federal officials stockpiled munitions, sought 'heat ray' device before clearing Lafayette Square, whistleblower says". It's paywalled, but there's an NPR piece on the 'heat ray' part here

Hours before federal police officers cleared a crowded park near the White House with smoke and tear gas on June 1, the lead military police officer in the Department of Defense for the D.C. region asked if the D.C. National Guard had a kind of military heat ray that might be deployed against demonstrators in the nation's capital, according to one of the most senior National Guard officers on the scene.

In written responses to the House Committee on Natural Resources obtained by NPR, Major Adam DeMarco of the D.C. National Guard said he was copied on an email from the Provost Marshal of Joint Force Headquarters National Capital Region. He was looking for two things: a long range acoustic device, a kind of sound cannon known as an LRAD, and a device called the Active Denial System, or ADS.

The ADS was developed by the military some twenty years ago as a way to disperse crowds. There have been questions about whether it worked, or should be deployed in the first place. It uses millimeter wave technology to essentially heat the skin of people targeted by its invisible ray.

Edited by nova92 on Sep 16th 2020 at 8:23:43 AM

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Sep 16th 2020 at 8:52:14 PM

@sgamer82 Sure thing!

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
Sep 16th 2020 at 9:01:09 PM

I just realized a couple of Trump officials have been bringing up sedition accusations. Michael Caputo at the HHS, AG Bill Barr.

1) Is this normal? 2) Is there some sort of big plan here?

RainehDaze METANOIA from Scotland Relationship Status: Mu
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Sep 16th 2020 at 9:02:21 PM

No (people riot and protest pretty damn regularly, government officials do not generally accuse them of plotting to overthrow the government in a democracy), and probably just to try and intimidate protesters with a 20 year jail sentence.

"Create a history, with the light God could not know"
Sep 16th 2020 at 9:04:46 PM

Thing is it's not just protesters. A few pages back:

The top communication official at Health and Human Services decided to go full conspiracist and accuse scientists at the CDC of "sedition" against Trump.

Sep 16th 2020 at 9:11:33 PM

[up][up][up][up] Thanks. I included a link to your original post to offer appropriate credit.

Offering something on-topic, if silly on the face of it:

Military Police Leaders Weighed Deploying 'Heat Ray' Against D.C. Protesters – Hours before federal police cleared peaceful protesters near the White House on June 1, a whistleblower got an email asking to find a device that would make protesters' skin feel like it was burning.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/16/913748800/military-police-leaders-weighed-deploying-heat-ray-against-d-c-protesters

You know how in "Eragon" everyone cries 'a single tear'? Yeah, just TRY that in "One Piece" and see if it works. - Formerly Narm Charm
Sep 16th 2020 at 9:15:47 PM

[up] The "stockpiled munitions" in the hours before clearing the square part is a lot more eyebrow-raising for me. (x6[up])

Edited by nova92 on Sep 16th 2020 at 9:16:08 AM

Sep 16th 2020 at 9:21:20 PM

In that case attempt 2 at something relevant and on topic:

Ohio judge blows up GOP plan to allow only 1 ballot box in each county – The limitation in the battleground state is arbitrary and unreasonable, the court said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/ohio-judge-blows-gop-plan-allow-only-1-ballot-box-n1240191

    The Story 
A directive that restricted Ohio counties to one ballot drop box in November was arbitrary and unreasonable, a county judge ruled Tuesday, delivering the Republican secretary of state in the presidential battleground another in a series of blows to his policies.

The office of Secretary of State Frank La Rose said he would soon appeal the decision by Franklin County Common Pleas Judge Richard Frye, assuming the judge follows through and invalidates the secretary’s drop-box order.

For now, Frye’s ruling doesn’t change anything, La Rose spokesperson Maggie Sheehan said in a written statement, “and the Secretary’s directive remains in place.”

Access to ballot drop boxes has become an urgent matter nationally, with in-person voting options restricted by the coronavirus pandemic and the efficiency and security of mail-in voting questioned amid cutbacks at the U.S. Postal Service.

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 16th 2020 at 9:39:08 AM

You know how in "Eragon" everyone cries 'a single tear'? Yeah, just TRY that in "One Piece" and see if it works. - Formerly Narm Charm
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Sep 16th 2020 at 9:52:31 PM

[up][up][up][up]Speaking of whom, he's been placed on leave as of today.

Nevertheless, you must persist.
Sep 16th 2020 at 10:22:17 PM

[up][up] That's good news! I'm glad they've ruled against limiting the number of dropboxes.

[up] Wow, a Trump official sees consequences (no matter how weak) for bad behavior.


Meanwhile, Barr continues his week of awfulness, saying calls for coronavirus lockdowns are the 'greatest intrusion on civil liberties' other than slavery in US history, conveniently leaving out Native American genocide, Jim Crow and Japanese internment camps, just to name a few. He also mocked his own department and dismissed its career officials, declaring all agency power 'is invested in the attorney general'. [1] [2]

Senate Republicans, possibly due to facing the prospect of losing the chamber this November, "signal openness to working with Biden". These suddenly bipartisan Senators include John Thune (SD), Lindsey Graham (SC), and Chuck Grassley (IA), all of whom were noted for reaching across the aisle during the Trump and Obama eras. /s


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