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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Feb 6th 2020 at 4:18:00 PM

Ultimatum ◕ Disasturbator from England,inside an Amiga Forest Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
◕ Disasturbator
Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:12:42 AM

> Biden has assembled 600 lawyers to oppose voter suppression efforts from the Republicans.

"Joe where did you find the pay 600 lawyers?"

"errrr internet?"

[laughs in time travel]
Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:19:20 AM

Hey, if Trump can have a Twitch channel, why not Biden?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Relationship Status: It's complicated
Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:19:38 AM

Though I recall reading that Trump campaign insiders are not confident about Sleepy Joe resonating nearly as well as Crooked Hillary.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:30:31 AM

"Sleepy" is demonstrably untrue when Biden gets up on stage after three cups of espresso and challenges Trump to a fistfight out back behind the debate hall.

"Crooked" acted as a reminder of all the demonizing beliefs Republicans had, over decades, been trained to hold towards Hillary.

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AlleyOop Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:40:28 AM

Biden is a lot of things, and sure enough many of them are not good, but "sleepy" is not a good capture of them.

Sivartis Captionless One from Lubberland, or the Isle of Lazye
Captionless One
Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:51:29 AM

This is among the least consequential complaints to be made about Trump, but just putting a derogatory adjective before your opponent's name has to be the laziest nickname scheme ever. At least make them alliterative, or rhyming, or something.

Edited by Sivartis on Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:51:43 AM

♭What.
DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:52:18 AM Ceterum autem censeo Iam Primum Postem esse delendam.
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:55:32 AM

A Florida sheriff said he will deputize lawful gun owners if protests turn violent

Bets on an Agent Provocateur or two showing up to make sure they do?

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Jul 2nd 2020 at 9:00:15 AM

[up]I can't make that bet as I'd likely lose it.

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Geronimo!
Jul 2nd 2020 at 9:01:24 AM

Because shooting protesters is a great method of de-escalation, am I right?

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Jul 2nd 2020 at 9:17:57 AM

The thing that fascinates me about US Law Enforcement, is all they had to do for TWO weeks is be on their best behavior and it might have blown over.

But nope. They simply doubled down on their shittiness, and now even white parents who would've defended them are starting to get tired of their shit.

Talk about having massive cases of Idiot Ball

Jul 2nd 2020 at 9:39:14 AM

Five Thirty Eight had an article showing that cops are more likely to react violently to protests against police brutality than to other types of protests.

Either itís a deliberate tactic to provoke and thus discredit the protestors; or itís an emotional reaction bourne of hostility to being criticized, and a bullyís hatred of opposition; or itís somehow a mix of both. But thereís enough evidence of provocateurs and deliberate incitement that Iím largely inclined to suspect the former.

They felt they had to make the protestors look like rioters, or people might start listening.

It backfired. Badly.

Edited by Galadriel on Jul 2nd 2020 at 12:40:34 PM

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Jul 2nd 2020 at 9:42:17 AM

If they had restrained themselves to just reacting violently after provocateurs provide plausible deniability that they were merely responding to a riot in progress, that still might have worked out for them.

But it's really hard to spin police officers pushing old people to the ground unprovoked or shooting at news cameras.

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Jul 2nd 2020 at 9:48:21 AM

The moment Sony and lots of Sports companies started tweeting "Black Lives Matter" i knew it was the beginning of the end.

George Floyd literally is gonna be in our history books 50 years from now.

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Jul 2nd 2020 at 9:52:51 AM

50 years from now, George Floyd might be a bigger name than Donald Trump.

Rosa Parks is a household name. Who, off the top of their head, remembers who the President was at the time she refused to relinquish her seat?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 2nd 2020 at 10:53:36 AM

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Gilphon Untrustworthy from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Untrustworthy
Jul 2nd 2020 at 9:58:06 AM

I mean, I don't know that, but that's mostly because I don't have the dates involved memorized. Like I highly doubt that the president at the time was somebody I've never heard of.

"Canada Day is over, and now begins the endless dark of the Canada Night."
Jul 2nd 2020 at 10:14:23 AM

Unless it was a President Post Grant and Pre Wilson.

Jul 2nd 2020 at 10:17:49 AM

[up][up][up] Eisenhower.

And he had a comparatively subdued presidency. I mean he did a lot of things (coup in Guatemala setting off decades-long civil war; coup in Iran Ieading to...everything relating to Iran up to the present day; sending in the National Guard to desegregate Little Rock; letting McCarthy have fairly free rein; creating the interstate highway system), but the country was fairly stable, no huge scandals, and he didnít die in office, so heís not quite as prominent in the public imagination as Kennedy, Johnson or Nixon.

Trump will definitely be a major figure in the history books. If nothing else, he would be for his mismanagement of COVID-19, which has had a larger impact on peopleís lives nationally and globally than any event since WWII.

Edited by Galadriel on Jul 2nd 2020 at 1:26:53 PM

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Jul 2nd 2020 at 10:32:49 AM

I think it's a little presumptuous to assume too much about what will be remembered and what won't, but I have a hard time seeing Trump not being remembered. He's a uniquely bad president who presided over a time of prolonged civil tensions, a pandemic that disrupted the lives of millions of people that he botched horribly, and protests against racism and police brutality that are unlike anything many people have seen since the civil rights era in the 60's.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
Ultimatum ◕ Disasturbator from England,inside an Amiga Forest Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
◕ Disasturbator
Jul 2nd 2020 at 10:59:13 AM

People always remember bad Presidents because they live in infamy,Trump will be no exception,I have a feeling people will definitely remember Floyd and unfortunately the rioting and looting that took place too will be recalled more

[laughs in time travel]
TitanJump Beast VIII from the Grand Grail Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Beast VIII
Jul 2nd 2020 at 11:02:24 AM

[up][up] You forgot "and he was also the third president who got officially impeached during his time in office."

Edited by TitanJump on Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:02:32 PM

Madness: an author's most magnificent muse and house maid.
Jul 2nd 2020 at 11:04:34 AM

[up][up] I doubt that. If the protests go down in the history books, it will be because they drive meaningful policy reforms to policing, and that will be far more important than a little opportunistic looting.

Ultimatum ◕ Disasturbator from England,inside an Amiga Forest Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
◕ Disasturbator
Jul 2nd 2020 at 11:11:04 AM

> little opportunistic looting

Oh,and I forgot to mention they toppled a few statues,and burned down at least one building

[laughs in time travel]
Jul 2nd 2020 at 11:13:12 AM

Yes, but tearing down racist statues and burning down a police precinct are part of the protesting, not distractions from it. Honestly, burning down the precinct seemed to have a positive effect - thatís what flipped Minneapolis to saying they would disband their police.

Gilphon Untrustworthy from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Untrustworthy
Jul 2nd 2020 at 11:14:19 AM

Mhm. People remember things that had lasting consequences. Like realistically there were probably some stores that got looted during the Stonewall riots, but if you meet somebody who thinks of that as the main reason Stonewall is worth remembering, flick a few grain of salt on them to see if they shrivel up into a raisin.

"Canada Day is over, and now begins the endless dark of the Canada Night."

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