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AngrokVa TRUST NO ONE from The Bottomless Pit Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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Jun 29th 2020 at 10:19:22 AM

Over on Reddit, subreddit r/The_Donald has been banned, citing hate speech and harassment.

[down][down] Thanks.

Edited by AngrokVa on Jun 29th 2020 at 1:23:24 PM

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Jun 29th 2020 at 10:19:45 AM

Twitch has apparently temporarily suspended Trump's account over hateful comments made on stream.
Wait... Donald Trump had a Twitch channel?

[up] Didn't that already happen a while back, or am I thinking of another Alt-Right subreddit?

Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 29th 2020 at 11:24:35 AM

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas
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Jun 29th 2020 at 10:20:41 AM So I'll make a resolution, that I'll never make another one, just enjoy this ride on my trip around the sun, until its done.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Jun 29th 2020 at 10:20:48 AM

Typical Reddit Administration, happily tolerate a hive of bigotry and degeneracy until it brings bad PR.

Socially irresponsible trash.

CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Jun 29th 2020 at 10:25:25 AM

To be fair, The Donald was curated from the rest of the site for the better part of two years. You could only enter The Donald if you specifically sought it out and then said, "You really want to go in here?" It didn't show up in search engines and was essentially an invisible part of the site.

Keeping it around was also something that had a semi-good argument for it too. The Donald's existence kept the rest of the racists and psychopaths from infecting the rest of the forums. Its existence caused a dramatic decrease of Donald Trump supporters and casual racism elsewhere.

There's a fascinating book someone needs to write about The Donald, 8chan, and other "free speech zones that became hate speech zones before moving on to other places at the insistence of others."

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 29th 2020 at 10:25:59 AM

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Jun 29th 2020 at 10:27:35 AM

[up] I've seen the containment argument before and it doesn't actually work in practice - all you're doing with that is create an echo chamber where people can radicalise themselves further.

Ceterum autem censeo Iam Primum Postem esse delendam.
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Jun 29th 2020 at 10:33:46 AM

We lived through that argument with the It Just Bug Me subforum.

Nevertheless, you must persist.
HailMuffins Professional Wanker from Ceará, Brazil Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Professional Wanker
Jun 29th 2020 at 10:33:49 AM

@Spartan: I'm not disagreeing woth you about the reddit administration, but how is their behaviour any worse than the other big social media sites?

Good artists borrow; great artists steal; the best artists murder.
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany
Foreign Troper
Jun 29th 2020 at 10:38:03 AM

I guess there is always Gab or Bitchute for them.

Belief Makes You Stupid indeed.
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
Jun 29th 2020 at 10:39:44 AM

Big social media sites arent particulaly high standards

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes.
CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Jun 29th 2020 at 10:49:22 AM

I've seen the containment argument before and it doesn't actually work in practice - all you're doing with that is create an echo chamber where people can radicalise themselves further.

Perhaps. I'm not sure the alternative of letting them run wild helps either. As we see with Incels, they took over a queer woman's forum and turned it into the hellhole it became.

The Donald types radicalized themselves without social media. Many just refused to acknowledge there were that many evil racists among us until it was too late.

Edit:

But yes, I support banning the Donald either way. I can see the argument for containment but supporting them with a platform is still supporting.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 29th 2020 at 10:52:54 AM

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
Jun 29th 2020 at 10:55:32 AM

If you ask me, no solution works.

Containing them reinforces their beliefs.

The concept behind not containing them is so they either suffer ostracism and differing opinions that will eventually have them doubt themselves, or they will grow bored out of getting banned everywhere.

In either case, they are still on the internet. If they do not WANT opposite views their feeds and suggestions will be shaped around this desire for them, no matter how a fringe little forum moderates them so you did not change any hearts or minds. If they WANT to troll a site they keep getting banned from, they can work around that too.

And shelving them in "the one place we dont talk about" also yields no results since they will actively organize themselves and go campaign and troll regardless.

Seems like a lose lose situation to me.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes.
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany
Foreign Troper
Jun 29th 2020 at 10:57:22 AM

For me, there is no definite answer to this.

It's a case by case thing and I can certainly see both sides of the argument.

Mostly I favour hate speech laws though, maybe also because I live in a country that has them.

Belief Makes You Stupid indeed.
HailMuffins Professional Wanker from Ceará, Brazil Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Professional Wanker
Jun 29th 2020 at 10:57:38 AM

[up][up][up]They could set up a containment subreddit like The_Donald, then mass ban every user in there after a while.

Rinse and repeat until they get the point.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jun 29th 2020 at 2:57:49 PM

Good artists borrow; great artists steal; the best artists murder.
CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
Author
Jun 29th 2020 at 10:59:26 AM

I did some research and it's an empty gesture. The_Donald was dead since its quarantine and mass bannings. It's moved on to its own website called...The Donald with its own reddit based forums.

Also, most of the other users have moved to R/Conservative which has gone....well, it's just a Neo-Nazi reddit now full of talking about black criminals needing to be killed.

So, yes, empty gesture.

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GoldenKaos Beastar-in-training from Drama Club Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beastar-in-training
Jun 29th 2020 at 11:06:18 AM

Deplatforming racists fairly consistently tends to decrease their reach and influence. There are a lot of prominent racists and fascists who were on the rise on Youtube and stepped too far and got banned, relegating them to platforms like dlive, i.e. where Youtube's algorhithm (and therefore the pipeline from conservative to fascist creatoers) can't reach, and they became largely irrelevant overnight as a result. Removing subreddits and pushing those communities deeper underground may relegate the existing members to even stronger more insular echo chambers, but it will also hurt their outreach, which is IMO a net gain.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Jun 29th 2020 at 7:13:30 PM

There is no final victory, as there is no final defeat. There is just the same battle. To be fought, over and over again. So toughen up.
DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Jun 29th 2020 at 11:07:06 AM

[up][up]

Until that subreddit also gets shut down.

Ceterum autem censeo Iam Primum Postem esse delendam.
Jun 29th 2020 at 11:12:03 AM

The_Donald was known to be a shitty racist subreddit for an really long time and likely got reported on a regular basis. It got quarantined awhile ago and I heard that a lot of the users on The_Donald ate eachother a couple months ago or so due to some new mods they got which were stricter than the ones before. They likely just banned it as some fake gesture of solidarity. Reddit is notoriously bad for leaving problematic subreddits up. r/conservative, r/conspiracy, and many other right subreddits are still up and the right is constantly trying to brigade and overrun left subreddits which is against the site's rules btw (No brigading).

Don't trust Reddit in general. They consistently leave bad subreddits that are extremely racist, bigoted, and constantly brigading other subs up.

Edited by Wispy on Jun 29th 2020 at 11:13:49 AM

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas
Professional Forum Ninja
Jun 29th 2020 at 11:15:57 AM

[up][up][up][up] Based on that New York Times link I posted above, it seems that it was the biggest name in a cleanup of inactive subreddits.

So, yeah, empty gesture.

Edited by tclittle on Jun 29th 2020 at 1:16:17 PM

So I'll make a resolution, that I'll never make another one, just enjoy this ride on my trip around the sun, until its done.
Gilphon Untrustworthy from The Third Sound Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Untrustworthy
Jun 29th 2020 at 11:23:40 AM

So I want to go back to focus on the fact that Trump apparently had a Twitch channel. Because although I'm confident this isn't accurate, I can't get the image of him running a 24-hour CoD livestream out of my head.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany
Foreign Troper
Jun 29th 2020 at 11:26:12 AM

@ Golden Kaos

On the other hand people have used their deplatforming to garner more sympathy by crying foul.

See: Laura Loomer, who has raised over 200.000 Dollars and counting after being banned across platforms and she is now even running for Congress.

Edited by Forenperser on Jun 29th 2020 at 8:26:36 PM

Belief Makes You Stupid indeed.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Jun 29th 2020 at 11:28:11 AM

@Spartan: I'm not disagreeing woth you about the reddit administration, but how is their behaviour any worse than the other big social media sites?

Since I did not say that they were the worst, they're just as bad as all the others, this question has no purpose.

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Best Dad
Jun 29th 2020 at 11:30:22 AM

[up] Man, Dismissive, much?

I get Social Media can be pretty bad, but this type of reasoning here comes across as shallow.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Jun 29th 2020 at 11:31:56 AM

I don't know what you want me to say, I was expressing perfectly deserved criticism of Reddit. Nowhere did I say they were uniquely bad, there wasn't any reason to bring up other companies.

Everyone being shitty just means everyone is bad, it doesn't mean individual examples should be excused.

Recognizing reality is not shallow.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 29th 2020 at 11:37:00 AM


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