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And I despise it more than anything.
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As much as I hate Trump and as dumb as he is, he is undoubtedly great at rallying his crowds while speaking.
That's something that Biden has thoroughly lacked so far, imO.
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Forgotten, sure.
Or it's absorbed into the generalized perception of him by the group he was trying to appeal to, which leaves others people mystified later on "How can people not be enthusiastic about voting for this guy!?"
But the other group doesn't deem that important, so why should those people?
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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Now you're just being hopelessly convoluted.
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Funny thing is if you listen to one of Trump's rally speeches then you find out he is extremely meandering and aimless for most of it. He throws in enough red meat for his followers to stay around but he's worse than Biden, who can be meandering but is definitely coherent.
I remember some foreign journalist being very surprised when they saw a Trump speech in person because the media always cuts it up to just show the important part, while leaving the ramblings out, giving the impression Trump was sharper than he really was.
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You know, the deluge of Trump's and his administration's antics has been pretty annoying for me whenever I end up discussing him and I want to bring up concrete examples because I can't remember any - and I have a problem with a memory like a sieve to start with.
Off the top of my head, I can recall...
- The Muslim travel ban
- Needlessly antagonizing North Korea (and then backpedalling)
- Generally getting into bed with dictators while crapping all over the US's longtime allies
- Separating kids from their families at the Mexican border and sticking them in prison camps
- Banning Trans people from the military and coming up with a stupid reason to justify it
- Putting an alleged sexual predator on the Supreme Court
- Hiding Trump's tax returns and the Mueller Report
- Getting impeached and not caring about it
- Trying to 'counter-impeach' their opponents and cooperating with foreign governments to do so
- Getting the government shut down and almost getting them shut down again
- Routinely ignoring House legislation because it was passed by Democrats
- Bothsides-ing the Charlottesville Neo-Nazi rally
- Being very nonchalant about the MAGA Bomber
- Being very nonchalant about gun violence and spree killings in general (unless it was committed by a Muslim and/or a brown person)
- Constantly downplaying the Coronavirus and ignoring the scientific advisor that they themselves recruited to help them control the damn thing
...Okay, that's more than I thought I'd remember. Is there anything I've missed?
"If you think like a child, you will do a child's work."
Biden just issued an apology for his comment. Good apology too IMO.
It's funny. I had started writing a post before about how Northam is kind of a bad precedent because he seemingly learned the lesson from Trump that showing contrition is often a bad strategy, even if it is morally better, because it calls peoples' attention to the fact that you did something wrong.
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Different markets. I mentioned this earlier. Trump doesn't do coherence because he doesn't need coherence. His core wants blood, money, a sense of belonging.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
What incentive is there to apologize, politically now? Clinton apologized for plenty. What good did it ever do her?
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The Democratic party doesn't run on what they know is more effective.
They run on what they think is the right thing to do, and hope their moral high ground rewards them.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
With the Biden gaffe, it all comes down to In-Group vs. Out-Group.
The best analogy I've come up with is the ending to Monty Python's Life of Brian - namely, if the guy telling him to chin up and smile was on the ground looking up at him, it would've come across as callous. But by hanging on the cross right next to Brian and giving him the same advice, it comes across as a "I know what you're going through, mate" situation.
Edited by ironballs16 on May 22nd 2020 at 4:19:33 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
And look how attempting to do the right thing got rewarded last time.
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So you're saying we should stoop down to their level?
I don't think so.
Edited by Forenperser on May 22nd 2020 at 10:19:29 AM
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That doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Ideally, people shouldn't "do the right thing" just because it might be advantageous for them.
Edited by PhysicalStamina on May 22nd 2020 at 4:20:45 AM
To pity someone is to tell them "I feel bad about being better than you."
Trump was practically screaming about blood purity yesterday. I don't quite think Biden's decision to apologize or not for a dumb joke is in the same ballpark.
I'd question if the Democratic Party actually has a consistent method it runs on, like the Republican Party does.
It seems largely individual/due to circumstance, rather than Republicans "Never apologize or admit wrong doing/deflect on to demographics we don't like" strategy.
That being said, arguing that people should only do the right thing (leaving leeway that people can have genuinely understandable reasons for disagreeing on what the "right" thing actually is) because it'll be politically rewarded and otherwise isn't worth it is, um, not a great look.
Edited by LSBK on May 22nd 2020 at 3:32:04 AM
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I wasn't talking about this specifically. If the Democrats have a choice, they should always go for the morally better one, small or big descision alike.
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I'm just gonna admit that 2016 has left a scar on me. I simply do not care if Biden apologizes or not for a dumb joke when Trump is a second away from screaming "blood and soil" and Clinton was excoriated constantly when she apologized four years ago.
He apologized. The same pundits acting like this was offensive might be back to calling him a senile warmonger next time this week
Edited by Lightysnake on May 22nd 2020 at 1:31:45 AM
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When did Clinton apologize and to whom, if I may ask. Not sure what you're referencing if I may be honest.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
A procrastination in of itself
When Jones won Alabama probably in part because Moore looked like even more of a scumbag after democrats made Franken resign for something much less serious?
Yeah man, it was nice to see doing the right thing pay off.
I’m glad that Biden has apologised, that’s a decent bit of snark to say to a white guy, it’s really bad to say to a black man.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
She apologized for votes she made, positions she had, things she said, true or not. It did her no good whatsoever. She apologized to coal miners for saying they'd be put out to business, apologized for the crime bill, for saying superpredators, for 'basket of deplorables' and so forth.
Bit of a difference between 'stupid comment online that everybody would forget in 2 days' to 'accusations of serial harassment and running against a sexual predatory'
Maybe I'm wrong and him apologizing will mollify his critics. We'll see.
Edited by Lightysnake on May 22nd 2020 at 1:39:26 AM
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Clinton had a storied past.
But for example the basket of deplorables thing...yeah. Apologizing to the republicans is never going to pan out. They do not want apologies, they stop at nothing but heads on platters.
Should she apologize? I dont know. I am just saying it makes a difference who are you apologizing for and for what reason.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
A procrastination in of itself
Apologising is how you make it go away, his critics won’t forget, but it modifies the press and casual observers.
Also your point seemed to be about doing the right thing generally, it can and does pay off.
Edited by Silasw on May 22nd 2020 at 8:44:41 AM
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
I will say that I find it pretty annoying (and yes, I'm referring to some posts in this thread also) how leftists really want to convince themselves that Biden is running a right-wing campaign and signaling to leftists that he doesn't want their votes. And there's a lot of deliberate obliviousness to Biden signaling support for left-wing policies and people.
For what it's worth, no one in my Twitter feed who was (rightly) criticizing Biden for his comment has acknowledged the apology.
Edited by Hodor2 on May 22nd 2020 at 3:41:59 AM
I'd put money people won't remember it by June