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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#298101: Jan 7th 2020 at 6:57:26 PM

Honestly, thank the Iranians for that. I sincerely hope this is where it ends.

It's been fun.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#298102: Jan 7th 2020 at 6:58:21 PM

What a way to start the new year, right?

Disgusted, but not surprised
MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#298103: Jan 7th 2020 at 6:58:25 PM

[up][up][up][up]He does that anyway. He's surrounded by spin doctors. They can get that done in an hour.

Barring the US making any other foolhardy moves, I don't see this escalating further

Edited by MrHellboy on Jan 7th 2020 at 8:59:12 AM

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#298104: Jan 7th 2020 at 7:02:20 PM

I dont know how popular were solemani, for what I see many iranians hate his guts, but I feel it dosent matter, nobody want a other country to strike their on in that manner, is gross.

I mean, would you imagine if this was the reverse and iran kill a 5 star general in US? or UK or germany? any democratic nation would demand retaliation.

Now, I dont expect nuclear weapon or anything what I expect is to trump to want nuke iran and everyone telling "no" and then he pretending he didnt want all along.

Well that and more pointless act of dickery.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#298105: Jan 7th 2020 at 7:17:15 PM

[up] My understanding is that he had a pretty high approval ratings, but not so high that a significant minority couldn't hate him.

In a nation of 82 million people, even if 65% of the population likes someone it still means almost 29 million people doesn't.

But I think ultimately what matters is that whatever else the man is, whatever else he has done, he was still a high ranking general of the internationally recognized government of Iran. Which means killing him in the manner the US did demands reprisal from the Iranian government.

The missile strikes were the absolute minimum Iran could do. Anything less and they may have more to fear from their own people then they would from the American government.

We can only hope it ends here.

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#298107: Jan 7th 2020 at 7:30:10 PM

Soleimani was incredibly popular. 82% favourable, 12% unfavourable. For comparison, Rouhani was at 42% favourable, 55% unfavourable.

What's precedent ever done for us?
nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#298108: Jan 7th 2020 at 7:34:06 PM

As requested, the header has been updated.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#298109: Jan 7th 2020 at 7:48:59 PM

If Graham is going full fire and brimstone, and considering the reason he has his head so far up Trump's ass is so he can influence him in times like this, I'd wait before there is a sigh of relief.

Man, tomorrow's morning commute is going to be...interesting...as I listen to the news....

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#298110: Jan 7th 2020 at 7:50:38 PM

Here is a response from the man himself. Great God Almighty:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1214739853025394693

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#298111: Jan 7th 2020 at 7:51:42 PM

[up] That one's already been posted.

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#298112: Jan 7th 2020 at 7:54:22 PM

Oh sorry. Didn't see it

Here's an item of interest though. Apparently, a Ukrainian plane has crashed near an airport in Tehran:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/middleeast/plane-crash-iran-intl-hnk/index.html

It was due to technical error and has nothing to do with what's happening now, but spooky timing nonetheless

Edited by MrHellboy on Jan 7th 2020 at 9:57:41 AM

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.
AngrokVa indighost from america, unfortunately Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Saddled with unnecessary feelings
indighost
#298113: Jan 7th 2020 at 8:26:00 PM

Can't say I'm surprised, knowing the track record of Boeing 737s.

Going back to today's drone attack, CNN says that Canada, UK and South Korea are all monitoring the situation closely.

Edited by AngrokVa on Jan 7th 2020 at 11:34:58 AM

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#298114: Jan 7th 2020 at 8:51:44 PM

Essentially, the article is claiming that people talking about WW 3 online are wishing to return to a time when war seemed more straightforward as opposed to a complicated matter.
When was war ever not a complicated matter?

Never. I think what they want is more the illusion that it's simple, ei "We hate them because they are communist", and not "idiot narcissist narcissist in Chief makes dumb decision that got a lot of people killed, and Fox News and Twitter trolls love him for it".

Edited by megaeliz on Jan 7th 2020 at 12:02:11 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#298115: Jan 7th 2020 at 9:00:51 PM

For all people saying Nostalgia Filter is going on, I argue that Trump is an idiot and petty tyrant well beyond anything America has experienced.

And yes, I include Bush who started a massive war under false pretenses and legalized torture while empowering the Executive beyond all reason.

I think Trump is still significantly dumber and more tyrannical.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#298116: Jan 7th 2020 at 9:32:47 PM

And as if Iran didn't have enough shit to deal with already with their commander being killed and the Boeing crashing, a 4.9 earthquake struck near it's nuclear power plant in Bushehr: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1214776900859629568

Edited by CookingCat on Jan 7th 2020 at 9:33:20 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#298117: Jan 7th 2020 at 9:35:00 PM

[up][up]The article's point seems to be that people sharing WW III memes even as a "joke" are subconsciously longing to invoke the feelings of WW II. The whole "Greatest Generation" thing, the prosperity the boomer generation enjoyed afterwards, the more relatively straightforward nature of the conflict, etc.

[up]Not a good start of the new year for Iran.

Edited by M84 on Jan 8th 2020 at 1:38:05 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AngrokVa indighost from america, unfortunately Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Saddled with unnecessary feelings
indighost
#298118: Jan 7th 2020 at 9:39:33 PM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#298119: Jan 7th 2020 at 9:44:50 PM

That would fall under inflammatory, as warned in the header - especially given you explicitly admitted the video in question is undated and dubious.

AngrokVa indighost from america, unfortunately Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Saddled with unnecessary feelings
indighost
#298120: Jan 7th 2020 at 9:47:10 PM

Right, got it. Maybe I should have said "we really shouldn't jump to conclusions regarding that video". There are two other points I would like to add to elaborate on my own skepticism:

Firstly, judging from how the fire flares up for a moment (about two seconds before the supposed crash) I'd say this was a small meteor impact, or maybe a SRBM, mistaken for a plane crash.

Secondly, even if it is the plane crash depicted in the video, no sane person I know would just casually film a plane crash on their iPhone.

UPDATE: Another point made clear to me, according to CNN it was last spotted on radar at 7,925 feet. Not sure if this was before the video was taken.

I'm only posting updates on the crash just in case this is, in fact, related to the recent Iranian drone attack.

Edited by AngrokVa on Jan 7th 2020 at 1:44:46 PM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#298121: Jan 8th 2020 at 12:54:06 AM

The airplane crash in Iran is not on topic here unless you can prove that it is directly related to the USA, beyond an embargo and the plane being made there. Otherwise the Aviation thread in Yack Fest is the correct place to talk about it.

Somewhere before someone asked what the steps of ordering a nuclear strike are in the US. If my understanding is correct, it's not clear if a president can order a nuclear strike on their own accord as the procedure involves a cabinet minister (Secretary of Defense) in some way but it's not clear how substantial that is. Regardless, a proper nuclear war would require the other side to reply in kind, and a) Iran almost certainly doesn't have the means to and b) it's unlikely that China or Russia would do so on their behalf.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#298122: Jan 8th 2020 at 1:51:20 AM

Another obstacle to Trump busting out the nukes is getting the military to actually go along with it. There are already issues with soldiers going through with launches in tests, here you would have an entire chain of command worth of people who can turn around and refuse to follow the order.

Given that the military has at times refused to follow orders or found ways around them (such as the Syria pullout where Trump ordered all troops out and local commanders found loopholes to keep some in), assuming that Trump is crazy enough to actually order a first strike nuclear assault, and that his cabinet goes along with it rather than realising how much that would fuck America's international reputation, the US military is instructed to ignore any illegal order.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#298123: Jan 8th 2020 at 2:05:33 AM

I would not necessarily trust on this point, though. For one thing, Trump via being president is still commander-in-chief so the military would need to have a pretty convincing rationale to not carry out a nuclear strike if Trump ordered to do so, and loophole abuse sounds like a different thing. Secondly, I need to be reminded when the last time was where the military was insubordinate in this fashion.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#298124: Jan 8th 2020 at 2:28:01 AM

Ordering a nuclear strike is the only situation I can imagine where I think the military should step in and force the President to resign.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#298125: Jan 8th 2020 at 4:56:17 AM

Being ordered to fire a nuke is such an extreme command that in itself is a pretty convincing rationale to disobey orders.

Soldiers are not robots, they know what a nuke is and what it means.

Edited by Clarste on Jan 8th 2020 at 4:57:13 AM


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