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#298001: Jan 7th 2020 at 11:21:15 AM

[up]I know that pretty well, while not in the US my family was chavista to the core and suport for a long time a regime that was pretty much republicans in steriod and devastated the country to the ground(really, for all the thing about chavismo being left and republican right they are no so different, so maybe the horseshoe theory does serve to some extent), but having a polarized social ambient for some long can wreck the way of sociaty interact with himself and it could in time, affect even democrat it selves

PD:Of fucking course this is a page trooper, what else it could be.

Edited by unknowing on Jan 7th 2020 at 3:21:48 PM

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#298002: Jan 7th 2020 at 11:58:38 AM

Sure but there's a limit to how incompatible your values can be before you just aren't going to get along. When your neighbors start tacitly or openly endorsing white supremacy or other things that you feel strongly about you're not really going to see them in a positive light or have that be something you can just "live and let live".

This. We're in a culture war for the soul of our country. Part of the reason we were able to not notice this before was because people who held these kinds of beliefs were embarrassed to admit them out loud. They knew that what they wanted to say was a bad thing to say, something that would diminish them in the eyes of the people they knew. So they quietly sat on their hate and were thus able to participate in civil society.

Today, these people are emboldened. They feel like their hate is validated and they can share and express it openly. They are actively fighting for the ability to hate freely and without social consequence.

This culture war ends one of two ways. Either

  1. Hate goes back under the rock whence it came. It once again becomes socially unacceptable to declare white supremacist ideals in public, and people who hold those beliefs must return to quietly seething at people while trying to avoid letting others know that they're doing it.
  2. Being a member of the KKK or a Neo-Nazi becomes a socially acceptable political position for people considered reasonable to hold.

Until one of these two things happen, there can never be a return to "normalcy". X-istsare fighting for the right to be openly racist, while everyone else is fighting for the right to not have open x-ismfloating about our society. This doesn't end until one side gives up and surrenders.

There is no compromise between x-ism and not x-ism. If you want to live in a country where this culture war is not happening, pick a side and fight for it. No one gets to go home until someone wins.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 7th 2020 at 1:03:57 PM

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#298003: Jan 7th 2020 at 1:13:46 PM

Something I'm not sure has been brought up yet, but it's since come out that Trumps military advisors tried invoking the Golden Mean Fallacy - but Trump unexpectedly went with the most extreme measure, rather than the happy medium they really wanted.

So can this be appropriately filed under Gone Horribly Right?

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#298004: Jan 7th 2020 at 1:17:30 PM

[up] Giving the president a selection of options ranging from "slap on the wrist" to Disproportionate Retribution is pretty normal, if I recall correctly.

But as many pundits have pointed out in the last few days: Why'd you give '''Trump''', of all, people an extreme option, if you didn't want him to take it?

The guy knows nothing but extremes - of bloody course he'd pick the most extreme option on the table.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jan 7th 2020 at 10:20:01 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#298006: Jan 7th 2020 at 1:22:08 PM

There was a West Wing episode about this. Sadly, Trump is no Josiah Bartlet.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#298007: Jan 7th 2020 at 1:37:45 PM

And It's Been Done with the The Simpsons Movie. Mind, the EPA Director tricked the president into picking the worst option the second time, rather than the president being an asshole.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#298008: Jan 7th 2020 at 1:38:59 PM

[up][up][up]

In the military's defense, apparently Trump did pick their preferred option... at first. It was after the Iraqi civilians stormed the US embassy that he went with his usual impulse bullshit.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#298009: Jan 7th 2020 at 1:59:39 PM

Yeah, there is no reasonable "de-escalation" from "x group deserves to live."

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A procrastination in of itself
#298010: Jan 7th 2020 at 2:06:49 PM

Yeah there’s a Yes Minister clip that covers this, I’ll see if I can find it.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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#298011: Jan 7th 2020 at 2:17:57 PM

CNN has settled the Defamation Lawsuit from Covington Catholic student Nicholas Sandmann, the Student in the MAGA hat who was harassed by Native American Protesters and then harassed them back. The details of the settlement have not been disclosed, and might not be for a long time. NBC and Washington Post are still being sued, and have not settled.

CNN shouldn't have settled; they were reporting on the facts they had at the time and they have freedom of speech and press rights that allow them to interpret their opinion on the matter at hand. Settling just makes them look guilty of actual Defamation.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#298012: Jan 7th 2020 at 2:22:47 PM

This can of worms won't be closed for a long time I guess.

And look, I hate Trump supporters as much as the next guy, but in this case I actually have to admit, the media did spin the narrative. The agression (as in, racist slurs) came from the Black Hebrew Israelites, all the kids did was jerk around a little, and Nick Sandman in particular (who didn't even dance) only stood there and smiled when Nathan Phillips walked up to him and started drumming in his face (nobody was blocking his path, he walked right up to them and there was plenty of space to go around).

The left didn't do itself any favors with this story.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#298013: Jan 7th 2020 at 2:24:42 PM

Found the Yes Minister quote, it’s a discussion between two civil servants.

Bernard Woolley : What if [the prime minister] demands options?

Sir Humphrey Appleby : Well, it's obvious, Bernard. The Foreign Office will happily present him with three options, two of which are, on close inspection, exactly the same.

Sir Richard Wharton : Plus a third which is totally unacceptable.

Sir Humphrey Appleby : Like bombing Warsaw or invading France.

Edited by Silasw on Jan 7th 2020 at 10:24:58 AM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#298014: Jan 7th 2020 at 2:38:14 PM

So good old Uncle Joe seems to think Mc Connell will become 'mildly cooperative' with Democrats once Trump is out of office:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-mitch-mcconnell-republicans_n_5e14d847c5b687c7eb5ca326?jl

1. This presupposes that Trump will not be re-elected.

2. WHAT?!

If this guy gets the nomination, we are doomed

Edited by MrHellboy on Jan 7th 2020 at 4:38:29 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#298015: Jan 7th 2020 at 2:42:49 PM

[up][up][up] Please let’s not relitigate this. See here and here for context and original discussion.

[up] Yikes.

Edited by wisewillow on Jan 7th 2020 at 2:43:12 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#298016: Jan 7th 2020 at 2:53:46 PM

Yeah well I don't agree with this. Like I said, it was the BHI who actually shouted explicit racist abuse. And even so, if you wanna critize the other students, thats one thing, but Sandman, the one who this whole fuss was about did literally nothing else than smiling at Philips (who, once again, approached him, not the other way around).

Edited by Forenperser on May 12th 2020 at 4:56:18 PM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#298017: Jan 7th 2020 at 2:59:21 PM

Bottomline, before this gets outta hand, all I'm saying is the media and public singled out the wrong guy.

Cheers and good night.

Edited by Forenperser on Jan 7th 2020 at 11:59:40 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#298018: Jan 7th 2020 at 3:10:01 PM

[up][up] White people shouting and tomahawk chopping at a Native man is blatantly racist and not okay, regardless of what the Black Hebrew Israelites were doing.

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#298019: Jan 7th 2020 at 3:13:37 PM

[up][up][up] Well, you can criticize him for being a Trump supporter. But yeah...

Edited by MrHellboy on Jan 7th 2020 at 5:13:56 AM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#298020: Jan 7th 2020 at 3:46:09 PM

Seeing multiple reports that Iran has launched missile attacks on US military bases in Iraq.

Edited by Parable on Jan 7th 2020 at 3:47:13 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#298021: Jan 7th 2020 at 3:49:51 PM

Well shit,Trump wanted a war with Iran,and now they're properly attacking

Here's hoping a cease fire is rapidly agreed upon and there is a minimal loss of life

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#298022: Jan 7th 2020 at 3:54:16 PM

And so it begins

God, I hate being right all the time

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#298023: Jan 7th 2020 at 4:05:45 PM

Maybe bring it down a notch, guys. The sources we’re seeing are saying “tens” of missiles launched from locations across the interior of Iraq. Not exactly an overwhelming Iranian counterattack, more likely the work of militias or proxies.

Why don’t we let the situation develop from a few nameless sources before we all freak out.

Edited by archonspeaks on Jan 7th 2020 at 4:06:57 AM

They should have sent a poet.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#298024: Jan 7th 2020 at 4:07:23 PM

Hardly extreme to link the action to Iran's involvement do you think?

Also,we're being calm I've not once used caps lock

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#298025: Jan 7th 2020 at 4:09:55 PM

[up][up] Uh, no. Iran has taken credit for this attack:

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-01-07/iranian-tv-says-tehran-has-launched-missiles-at-u-s-bases-in-iraq

Edited by MrHellboy on Jan 7th 2020 at 6:10:27 AM

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