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Edited by nombretomado on Sep 26th 2019 at 5:20:57 AM

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Sep 21st 2019 at 12:52:24 PM

How can people even primary Trump when the GOP has been cancelling the elections left and right to prevent it?

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SeptimusHeap Token Good Teammate from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Sep 21st 2019 at 12:53:25 PM

So it seems like there is yet another Trump controversy, this time apparently about some questionable requests that Trump may have sent to the government of Ukraine.

sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Sep 21st 2019 at 12:55:08 PM

[up] Part of the whistleblower scandal, right?

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Sep 21st 2019 at 1:01:22 PM

Just hope by some miracle that Trump isn't re-elected? 'Cause that's not the likely outcome, given this country's track record

Some miracle? That's just ignorant defeatist nonsense.

Hillary Clinton was a historically unpopular candidate who made strategic mistakes, faced Comey's letter, Russian interference, and was the recipient of decades of Republican agitprop and she still barely lost. This idea that the country's "track record" points towards a likely Trump re-election is based off him winning a single election and a complete ignorance of how probability works.

Trump is not invulnerable, nor is he competent. He absolutely can be a one-term President.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 21st 2019 at 1:02:04 AM

"Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies." -Robert Kennedy
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Sep 21st 2019 at 1:15:09 PM

Basically all the polls so far show Trump losing to any of the three big dem candidates (Biden, Sanders, Warren). In fact Biden has a double digit lead on him.

Of course Donald winning is still possible but that's only because of things like voter suppression and foreign interference, IMO.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Sep 21st 2019 at 1:16:27 PM

Indeed, those things and the partisan nature of our politics. There is a critical mass of people who will always vote for their party, so winning a nomination is enough to make one have a chance of winning.

"Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies." -Robert Kennedy
Grafite Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Sep 21st 2019 at 2:07:41 PM

The Ukraine story might actually be a good rallying cry for impeachment, because it's easily understanded. Trump withheld aid to Ukraine unless they conjured up a story about Biden's son, which is a crime and pretty shady. Warren came out in favour of it today in Iowa, for example.

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Sep 21st 2019 at 2:13:26 PM

I just want to know what their answer was,or if they bothered to reply,i really want to to be "Fuck off"

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Sep 21st 2019 at 2:15:17 PM

His son who died of cancer or does he have others?

Sep 21st 2019 at 2:18:10 PM

This is actually really cool, and gives a really good illustration of how state boundries can and do affect the outcomes of presidential elections.

This interactive map creates randomly-generated state boundaries for the United States, and see who would recent presidential elections under the map. Under different combinations of states, different regions become the deciding factor, and even broad popular support can be overturned by the specific state boundaries.

Edited by megaeliz on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:24:57 AM

Sep 21st 2019 at 2:19:01 PM

[up][up]Beau Biden is the one who died of cancer. Hunter Biden is still alive and the one who that matter concerns.

Edited by TheRoguePenguin on Sep 21st 2019 at 2:19:22 AM

Sep 21st 2019 at 3:09:43 PM

Biden's calling out Trump to prove he didn't try to get Ukraine to interfere in the election by releasing the transcript of the phone call.

Edited by Parable on Sep 21st 2019 at 3:10:58 AM

I don't have my glasses so I can't read anything. I don't even know how I drove here.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Sep 21st 2019 at 3:52:24 PM

Maybe they feel that Trump's poor image means they don't have much of a shot of winning anyway so they take a dive with picking him again. Which will backfire majorly if he manages to win 2020

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CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Sep 21st 2019 at 3:56:39 PM

2016 made me question a lot of my assumptions about society.

The Georgia governor election made me also aware it was possible to just outright subvert democracy and no one would do a damn thing about it.

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Sep 21st 2019 at 4:00:16 PM

Why would they when a significant chunk of them got what they wanted.

Like for all this talk about cheating democracy most people here seem to ingnore it's just a couple percentage points of nudging, and there are large swaths of the country that share these horrible veiws.

M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:06:27 PM

I've long since considered that the biggest problem in the USA is simple voter apathy. The USA would be a very different place if left leaning people voted as regularly as right leaning people.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:22:26 PM

I've long since considered that the biggest problem in the USA is simple voter apathy. The USA would be a very different place if left leaning people voted as regularly as right leaning people.

You're entirely correct.

"Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies." -Robert Kennedy
Ramidel Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:24:08 PM

How can people even primary Trump when the GOP has been cancelling the elections left and right to prevent it?

I understand Mark Sanford has been talking legal action.

Of course, the GOP could take a cue from the UK and just say "fuck the courts, we're voting for Trump without a primary and you can't do a thing about it."

Fiat justitia ruat caelum.
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:27:42 PM

I'm no legal expert so someone smarter feel free to tell me I'm wrong, but I think political parties are technically private organizations so they can choose whatever means they want to select their nominee. Even if it is just by leadership fiat.

I don't have my glasses so I can't read anything. I don't even know how I drove here.
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Sep 21st 2019 at 4:29:35 PM

Apparently some state GOP have told the RNC to take a hike on cancelling primaries, so lets see how that plays out. Best case, confusion to the enemy.

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Sivartis Captionless One from Lubberland, or the Isle of Lazye
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Sep 21st 2019 at 5:14:43 PM

Warren Beats Biden and Sanders in Latest Des Moines Register Poll

Elizabeth Warren has surged in Iowa, narrowly overtaking Joe Biden and distancing herself from fellow progressive Bernie Sanders, the latest Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom Iowa Poll shows.

Warren, the U.S. senator from Massachusetts, now holds a 2-percentage-point lead, with 22% of likely Democratic caucusgoers saying she is their first choice for president. It is the first time she has led in the Registerís poll.

Former Vice President Biden, who had led each of the Registerís three previous 2020 cycle polls, follows her at 20%. Sanders, the U.S. senator from Vermont, has fallen to third place with 11%.

No other candidate reaches double digits.

Edited by Sivartis on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:16:10 AM

♭What.
ITNW1989 from Big Meat, USA Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:33:40 PM

I hope that lead gets wider. I'm already voting Democrat regardless for this coming election, but it'd make my election day a lot lighter and easier if Warren's name is the one on the ballot.

M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:45:40 PM

That's gotta sting for Sanders.

Disgusted, but not surprised
MrHellboy The Spectre Monk from My own private Twilight Zone Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Spectre Monk
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:54:21 PM

Sounds good to me.

Sanders is my second choice, but I really really want it to be Warren

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