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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
vicarious
She was a bad leaker
And she got treated pretty badly in return
That’s pretty much my conclusion for the most part
"bad leaker" as in "she was bad to leak the info she did" or as in "she was bad at the act of leaking"?
If she leaked the info, then by definition she's a good leaker, so I can only imagine it is the former.
In which, that's a bit fucked up: torture goes well beyond just "bad treatment", it's a goddamn crime against humanity.
Oh, bother.
Manning's mistake in leaking was trusting Wikileaks with the info. A mistake that she's currently compounding.
Disgusted, but not surprised
What is she doing now?
vicarious
Bad in not leaking well
Wikileaks was quite the darling back then, so in hindsight it’s kind of feel bad.
It’s kind of a spot where she truly fucked up and where it’s hard to trust authorities now to make sure she’s treated at least fairly in custody. I don’t sympathize with her decision to make the leaks.
I do feel bad for her that she’s probably not in the best state right now. So I can live with Obama pardoning her, all thing considering.
It’s kind of interesting to see perspectives on the two biggest known leakers currently
Oh, bother.
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She got held in contempt by a judge for refusing to testify before a private grand jury on stuff about Wikileaks, apparently because she wanted it public. The judge evidently didn't appreciate Manning insisting on deciding the terms of a court summons.
As a result, she's being detained. According to her supporters, she's being held in conditions that are threatening her health.
Edited by M84 on Mar 31st 2019 at 9:41:41 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Oh, bother.
Yes, her supporters pointed that out.
The sheriff responsible for Manning's detainment at the William G Truesdale adult detention center, Sheriff Dana Lawhorne, of course objected to this, claiming that the facility doesn't have solitary confinement and that administrative segregation inmates have access to visits, books and recreation.
Edited by M84 on Mar 31st 2019 at 10:16:17 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
She/Her Pronouns
And as her supporters also pointed out, putting her in de facto solitary is still damaging her health. Reportedly, one recent visit caused her to vomit from the shock of switching from being alone to interacting with someone again.
Also, not sure about how the addition of books makes this better.
Edited by AzurePaladin on Mar 31st 2019 at 10:17:26 AM
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Oh, bother.
I think it's the "have access to visits" part that the sheriff was emphasizing.
The justification for this is that Manning is supposedly a high-profile target. The detention center's policy is to keep such inmates in administrative segregation for their protection and the protection of other inmates.
Manning's supporters contend that Manning is not a threat nor needs to be placed in adseg for her own safety. Thus rendering adseg unnecessary.
Edited by M84 on Mar 31st 2019 at 10:22:07 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Doesn't seem to be doing any good, that's for sure.
Wikileaks became a Russian asset later and was a tiny bunch of weirdos at the time of Mannings leaks.
I think blaming her for them selling out to Russia and becoming criminal assets is wrong.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 31st 2019 at 7:29:15 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
No, Assange was always a jackass. He’s always been weirdly pro-Russia, and was suspected of ties to the Russian government as early as 2011-2012 Not to mention all the psychotic pizzagate stuff he ended up promoting.
Edited by archonspeaks on Mar 31st 2019 at 7:34:48 AM
They should have sent a poet.
Oh, bother.
You want to blame someone besides Manning for this, blame the judge who decided that Manning's insistence on a public grand jury warranted contempt.
Edited by M84 on Mar 31st 2019 at 10:34:59 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
I don't see why she wasn't allowed to testify publicly though. She already testified once, and she's willing to do it again, but they chose to be hardasses about it to the extent that they're imprisoning her all over again. That's bullshit. And honestly, I highly doubt that they would be treating her this way if she wasn't trans. The justice system and the government are incredibly hostile towards trans people.
Oh, bother.
I guess their rationale, however flimsy, is that Manning being transgender and high-profile would put her at risk of being harassed by the other inmates.
Administrative segregation is ostensibly supposed to be for the protection of the inmate(s) as opposed to a punitive measure, unlike disciplinary segregation. In practice...yeah.
As for why she got put in contempt in the first place, I think it was in part the principle of the thing — the judge probably didn't like the idea of someone who was issued a court summons trying to set the terms by which she would agree to testify. Ultimately, it was the judge's decision.
Edited by M84 on Mar 31st 2019 at 11:22:53 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
The government wants to make an example of her and hate that she was pardoned so they've found another reason to throw her in jail forever.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Oh, bother.
Or a judge decided on their own to make Manning realize that she doesn't get to dictate the terms of her testimony when summoned to a grand jury. Now whether the judge went too far in this is up to you.
And it's not "forever". It's until she agrees to testify or until the grand jury finishes its work.
Edited by M84 on Apr 1st 2019 at 12:13:16 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised
She/Her Pronouns
"Its not forever, its until we finish up a grand jury" seems more or less like a distinction without a difference. It still promises to be a while. And "comply with this grand jury you believe to be used to intimidate activists or be punished indefinitely" isn't justice, its blackmail. And, ironically, proves her point.
Oh, bother.
"Intimidate activists" is an odd way of interpreting an investigation into Wikileaks. Wikileaks has long since lost any benefit of the doubt.
And ironically, Manning's refusal to testify will likely delay the grand jury's work even further. Which means she's going to be detained even longer.
Edited by M84 on Apr 1st 2019 at 12:26:56 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised
She/Her Pronouns
I was not talking about Wikileaks. I was discussing both her stated reasons for opposing the entire system on principal, and on her case specifically.
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Oh, bother.
Except this is an investigation into Wikileaks.
Professional Forum Ninja
I think Mannings treatment by the United States government is horrifying and continually shows its behavior toward leakers is nothing short of criminal. Civil disobedience is something I support and hope her suffering help brings attention to the needs for rights of those leakers.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 31st 2019 at 5:16:52 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.