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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#270926: Feb 11th 2019 at 10:37:40 AM

@LeGarcon: Look, I already said that I don't like him throwing around the SJW label like that. All I'm saying is that none of us are mind-readers, that overall he seems a far cry from someone like Sargon of Akkad, and at least he rarely brings up the topic (like, once in a hundred videos on average?); the vast bulk of his videos are all about him and the viewers having a good laugh at popular memes, him getting uncomfortable by squicky or cringey stuff (like, real cringe; think jokes that are objectively bad or lame), and squeeing over plain wholesome stuff.

Edited by MarqFJA on Feb 11th 2019 at 9:38:56 PM

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#270927: Feb 11th 2019 at 10:37:43 AM

[up][up] [awesome]

Marq, the entire appearance of respectability is the problem. He's not, he just tries to look that way. You're the unaware bystander in your own description, and the words he's using are suppose to seem reasonable to you.

Also, no one who has an actual point to make about Radical Feminists would use SJW unironically.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Feb 11th 2019 at 1:38:00 PM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
PhysicalStamina so i made a new avatar from Who's askin'? Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
so i made a new avatar
#270928: Feb 11th 2019 at 10:38:45 AM

Even if this someone is using it to denote fringe extremists like radical feminists?

It never is. It never is.

And here lies a logical problem: Just because such terms are most frequently used as dogwhistles to disguise actual bigotry under a veneer of respectability doesn't necessarily mean that every case of random John or Jane Doe on the street using the term is also a case of dogwhistling.

This is exactly what the people who use them and get others to repeat them want you to think. while people are parroting them thinking they're not saying anything harmful, the people they get them from are in the background smiling at their rhetoric being spread to the masses. And at that point, it really doesn't matter whether or not they don't mean what the bigots mean when the say the things bigots say; it doesn't change the fact that they're saying it.

To pity someone is to tell them "I feel bad about being better than you."
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#270929: Feb 11th 2019 at 10:40:02 AM

This is exactly what the people who use them and get others to repeat them want you to think. while people are parroting them thinking they're not saying anything harmful, the people they get them from are in the background smiling at their rhetoric being spread to the masses. And at that point, it really doesn't matter whether or not they don't mean what the bigots mean when the say the things bigots say; it doesn't change the fact that they're saying it.
I already said that on the previous page, didn't I?

You're the unaware bystander in your own description
Hard to believe that when I actually noticed the problem on my own. Maybe I hadn't articulated that fact properly.

Edited by MarqFJA on Feb 11th 2019 at 9:41:53 PM

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#270930: Feb 11th 2019 at 10:42:51 AM

[up] The second half of that paragraph points out that it really doesn't matter.

Also, I heard about this Lost Sempai again, and thought I'd check something quickly...turns out the man also uses a particular slur against Trans Women that's oh-so-prevalent in Anime communities.

Fuck him.

[down][tup] Its not that you didn't notice - its that you're still falling for it.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Feb 11th 2019 at 1:44:43 PM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
PhysicalStamina so i made a new avatar from Who's askin'? Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
so i made a new avatar
#270931: Feb 11th 2019 at 10:43:23 AM

And as has been said, you're falling for it regardless. You're part of the unwitting non-bigots getting suckered in by seemingly reasonable language you were talking about, and you don't even realize it.

To pity someone is to tell them "I feel bad about being better than you."
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270932: Feb 11th 2019 at 10:55:31 AM

To be frank I think this discussion is only tangibly related to US politics, as such I'd strongly recommend everyone to take it to the Politics in Media thread.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 11th 2019 at 1:55:46 PM

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
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#270933: Feb 11th 2019 at 11:05:14 AM

[up]basically. This is off-topic.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#270934: Feb 11th 2019 at 11:08:14 AM

[up] Understood.

Back on the original topic, I imagine Northam is going to be used as a sledgehammer by the Right on the Democratic Party. Brace for the 'Democrats are the real racists' takes.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Feb 11th 2019 at 2:09:21 PM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270935: Feb 11th 2019 at 11:15:00 AM

Back on the original topic, I imagine Northam is going to be used as a sledgehammer by the Right on the Democratic Party. Brace for the 'Democrats are the real racists' takes.

It's already happened, Conservative figures have been making the hilarious joke that the Female Democratic Congresswomen all wearing white during the State of the Union should've worn a matching hood.

But otherwise considering the overwhelming condemnation Northam received from the party I highly doubt he'll be a significant liability, especially considering that Virginians mostly want him to resign amongst partisan lines.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#270936: Feb 11th 2019 at 11:18:46 AM

Harris takes on questions about her 'blackness' – Sen. Kamala Harris directly confronted critics Monday who have questioned her black heritage, her record incarcerating minorities as a prosecutor and her decision to marry a white man.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/politics/kamala-harris-prosecutor-breakfast-club/index.html


Republicans gush over Klobuchar – GOP senators praised the Minnesota Democrat for her deal-cutting ways — even as they worried [their support] could doom her presidential bid

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/11/klobuchar-president-republicans-1159345


El Paso’s Message for Trump Before Rally: Don’t Speak for Us – President Trump has scheduled a rally in El Paso, which he has used as an example of the security a border wall can bring. But many city officials don’t agree

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/10/us/trump-el-paso-rally.html

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#270937: Feb 11th 2019 at 11:19:15 AM

He's the Republicans dream come true,a democrat with a racist past,its the perfect scandal for them that just keeps giving as long he does not step down

It could be a lot worse,they could have a Roy Moore type figure but they don't,The republicans do though

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#270938: Feb 11th 2019 at 11:20:32 AM

At this point, I'm hoping that Northam doesn't cause Virginia to flip red, due to turnout depression among Democrats. The saving grace here is that at least he can't run again.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270939: Feb 11th 2019 at 11:27:33 AM

Harris takes on questions about her 'blackness' – Sen. Kamala Harris directly confronted critics Monday who have questioned her black heritage, her record incarcerating minorities as a prosecutor and her decision to marry a white man.

I have to say, I have much less sympathy for criticisms of her criminal justice record if it's packaged with questioning her 'blackness' and criticizing her for daring to love someone outside of her race.

Like, this has directly increased my sympathy for Harris.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#270940: Feb 11th 2019 at 11:30:52 AM

And IIRC, Obama got the same sort of questions early in his run as well. His responses only bolstered his campaign.

So while its awful that Harris (and others) have to answer these sorts of questions at all, it does present an opportunity for her to turn it back on the jackasses asking them.

[down]. No, they accused him of not being black enough because he was mixed race, raised largely (but not entirely) by his white grandparents, and because his father was Kenyan rather than African-American.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Feb 11th 2019 at 3:33:15 PM

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#270941: Feb 11th 2019 at 11:31:46 AM

There wasn't people that acussed Obama of not being "black enought" because he didn't blast rap and hip hop when he was in the White House

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270942: Feb 11th 2019 at 11:36:51 AM

And IIRC, Obama got the same sort of questions early in his run as well. His responses only bolstered his campaign.
There wasn't people that acussed Obama of not being "black enought" because he didn't blast rap and hip hop when he was in the White House

She actually mentioned this in the article.

"So I was born in Oakland, and raised in the United States except for the years that I was in high school in Montreal, Canada," Harris responded with a laugh. "And look, this is the same thing they did to Barack (Obama). This is not new to us and so I think that we know what they are trying to do."

"They are trying to do what has been happening over the last two years, which is powerful voices trying to sow hate and division, and so we need to recognize when we're being played," Harris said.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Feb 11th 2019 at 2:37:07 PM

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#270943: Feb 11th 2019 at 11:47:02 AM

Don't forget the Faux-progressive "HARRIS IS A WHITE COP!!!!"

Watch me destroying my country
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#270944: Feb 11th 2019 at 11:55:25 AM

Disgusted but not surprised. I'm glad that she was able to get some good responses in, but the fact that she was facing these criticisms is indicative of issues everyone on the Left should continue to confront.

There's plenty to criticize without stooping to racism.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#270945: Feb 11th 2019 at 12:00:07 PM

Black cops often get Category Traitor things thrown at them, which is nonproductive and harmful.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#270946: Feb 11th 2019 at 12:01:57 PM

I can't help but cringe at the fact that she's facing criticism for daring to marry outside her race when she herself is the offspring of a mixed marriage.

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Lost in Space
#270947: Feb 11th 2019 at 12:02:14 PM

Black police officers are often under intense pressure not to look like they are acting with favoritism towards other blacks, while at the same time subject to calls of treachery for taking action against blacks, even if they are in fact performing criminal acts. It's a very tough situation, and not one that I'd care to be in.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 11th 2019 at 3:02:32 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#270948: Feb 11th 2019 at 12:05:39 PM

Spike Lee got criticized for having a pro-police narrative in BlacKkKlansman. Which if you watch the movie, is stretching it, since the protagonist is constantly harassed by his fellow (white) cops and used by them to investigate black power movements. He's even point blank asked, "Are you with us or blacks?" Later, the protagonist gets the same level of shit from his girlfriend who thinks any black man working with the police is against his fellow blacks.

However, Spike didn't rise to the argument and said, "We need police. We just need police who aren't racist."

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 11th 2019 at 12:05:51 PM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#270949: Feb 11th 2019 at 12:05:43 PM

Maybe I shouldn't, but I am still shocked whenever the Left pulls the old Maligned Mixed Marriage thing.

Aren't we supposed to be above that?

Edited by HailMuffins on Feb 11th 2019 at 5:06:02 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#270950: Feb 11th 2019 at 12:07:12 PM

I was actually shocked by an episode of Blackish which analyzed one of the protagonists from a mixed marriage. And her mother basically admitted, yes, she did marry a white man because it was security and as a white man's spouse she got less shit in general.

As a fictional example, it means less than the fact a writer said his mother told him that was why she married his father.

So there's complexities there and perception issues every bit today as yesterday.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 11th 2019 at 12:08:11 PM

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