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TobiasDrake Always watching, never seen from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Always watching, never seen
Jan 10th 2019 at 3:32:43 PM

Warrants noting that Nazi methodology was partly inspired by Confederates. Hitler liked a lot of the ideas that Southern Democrats utilized to oppress minorities such as Jim Crow laws and incorporated those ideas into his own model.

Those same Confederates who inspired Hitler went on to abandon the Democratic party for the Republicans after the passing of the Civil Rights Act. The relationship between modern Republicans and Nazis didn't spring up out of nowhere; the Confederate legacy and the Nazi philosophy and methodology have always been closely intertwined with one another.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 10th 2019 at 4:33:14 AM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold, dispassionate logic that which can be equally or better explained by emotional outburst.
unknowing "GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!" from somewhere..
"GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!"
Jan 10th 2019 at 5:24:35 PM

Another issue is that some person are guilable enough to actually fall into superficial charm of dogwhiste, the whole "Protecting the country" or "our people" and so own, Trump as always ia good representation of that, were he will suport whatever it superficially boost is ego.

I mean is one of the reason he is so coy and hard with white supremacist: they give him the kind of adoration he wanted, why he will bad with them?.

"There is only one truth in this life and that is DESPAIR!"
M84 Freedom is the right of all sentient beings from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Jan 10th 2019 at 5:29:11 PM

It helps that Trump is also genuinely racist. He's got that in common with them.

Disgusted, but not surprised
unknowing "GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!" from somewhere..
"GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!"
Jan 10th 2019 at 5:36:22 PM

[up]Even is racistness is a very general "fuck them" mentality rather than the delusional lunatic raing of the alt right, they play the part of the pawn and he paly the part of is master.

Is kind of a bad and pretty racist BDSM.

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M84 Freedom is the right of all sentient beings from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Jan 10th 2019 at 5:38:48 PM

It's not just a general "fuck them". He has in the past tried to keep minorities out of his properties. He's also spread racist conspiracy theories like birtherism.

Trump both played to entitled white male resentment and is himself driven by it as well.

Edited by M84 on Jan 10th 2019 at 9:40:21 PM

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CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Jan 10th 2019 at 5:40:02 PM

Trump is a strong racist like his father, though.

Strong in the sense of, "I don't sell my apartments to black people" way.

Strong in the "the people at his casinos usher all black employees off the floor when he visits."

Strong in the, "actively campaigned against Native Americans getting casinos and led to the blood purity laws to allow them to have them."

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sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Jan 10th 2019 at 6:23:22 PM

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/01/10/day-721/

    Day 721: Political stunts. 
1/ Mitch McConnell blocked two House-passed bills that would have ended the now-20-day-long government shutdown. McConnell refused to take up the Senate versions of bills advanced by the House to reopen the parts of the government that have been shut down since late last month. McConnell has said that he will not consider any bills related to the shutdown that he doesn't believe Trump would sign. He added: "Political stunts are not going to get us anywhere." (CNN / The Hill)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/10/politics/senate-blocks-vote-congress-shutdown/index.html

2/ The Pentagon has started preparing options to build a wall along the southern border in the event that Trump declares a national emergency. "The Department of Defense," said Navy Capt. Bill Speaks, "is reviewing available authorities and funding mechanisms to identify options to enable border barrier construction." Trump once again warned that he was considering using an emergency declaration if talks with Democrats ultimately fail to result in an agreement. "If this doesn’t work out, probably I will do it – I would almost say definitely," Trump said. "We have plenty of funds if there’s a national emergency." (USA Today / Reuters)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown-idUSKCN1P416X

3/ Michael Cohen agreed to voluntarily and publicly testify in front of the House Oversight Committee before he goes to prison next month. Trump's former personal attorney said he appreciates the opportunity "to give a full and credible account of the events that have transpired" during the time that he worked for Trump. Chairman Rep. Elijah Cummings said the committee is "in the process of consulting with Special Counsel Mueller’s office," and promised more information about the Feb. 7 hearing in the coming weeks. Cohen will also answer questions from lawmakers about the Russia investigation during a closed-door session before the committee "in the near future," according to Adam Schiff. (Washington Post / NBC News / New York Times / ABC News / CNN / The Hill)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/10/politics/michael-cohen-testify-congress/index.html

4/ Robert Mueller asked for information directly last year from one of Trump's campaign pollsters who also used to do business with Paul Manafort. Campaign pollster Tony Fabrizio was interviewed by Mueller's team in February 2018, a meeting that was previously unreported. The interview is even more significant in light of recent revelations that Mueller has been investigating how Manafort shared polling data with an associate who had ties to Russian intelligence. (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/10/politics/robert-mueller-trump-pollster/index.html

Notables.
Scientists say the oceans are warming at a much faster rate than they thought. A new study published in the journal Science found that the oceans are heating up 40% faster on average than estimates by a U.N. panel published just five years ago. The rising temperatures are killing off marine wildlife and ecosystems and the rising sea levels are making hurricanes more destructive. As the oceans continue to heat up, the impacts of those effects will become catastrophic. (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/climate/ocean-warming-climate-change.html

Steve Mnuchin agreed to give a classified briefing to members of Congress about his decision to lift sanctions on companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska. The briefing came after the chairs of seven House committees sent a letter to the Treasury Secretary and former Trump campaign finance chair demanding to know more about the decision. (NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/house-democrats-now-asking-questions-about-treasury-secretary-steven-mnuchin-n956766

Trump canceled a trip to Davos for the World Economic Forum and blamed it on "the Democrats [sic] intransigence on Border Security and the great importance of Safety for our Nation." (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/us/politics/trump-davos-world-economic-forum.html

Edited by sgamer82 on Jan 10th 2019 at 7:23:38 AM

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas
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Jan 10th 2019 at 6:25:08 PM So I'll make a resolution, that I'll never make another one, just enjoy this ride on my trip around the sun, until its done.
sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Jan 10th 2019 at 6:25:35 PM

So, given Trump's history with reimbursing anyone, it won't be built then.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
Jan 10th 2019 at 6:34:40 PM

Man if Texas foots the bill for a wall attempt that’s gonna piss a number of Texans off.

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Jan 10th 2019 at 6:37:08 PM

Non-white Texans, at least. I suspect the white ones will just be glad to see Hispanics prevented from crossing the border.

M84 Freedom is the right of all sentient beings from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Jan 10th 2019 at 6:40:24 PM

I doubt it'd be popular in the various Blue parts of Texas such as El Paso.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
Jan 10th 2019 at 6:55:29 PM

It’s going to anger the white Texans at the border who loose their land, the white Texan business owners who have trouble getting seasonal labour and the white Texans that care about spending.

Becuse keep in mind that even if Texas did build a full wall along the Texas-Mexico border (which it can’t), and the wall worked (which it wouldn’t) it would be entirely pointless, because even if they got Arizona to buy in on this crazy scheme (which they probably can’t), there’s still going to be a New Mexico sized hole in the middle of the wall and a California sized hole on the western side of the wall.

State money being spend on a penis monument for Trump that is wanted mainly by people further north is not going to be popular.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
BearyScary from A Planet That Looks Like It Has Chameleons Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Jan 10th 2019 at 7:39:55 PM

I wonder if the wall will be an albatross around the GOP's neck.

Jan 10th 2019 at 7:46:48 PM

I'm hearing that a renewed attempt at funding Trump's Border Wall (Which wouldn't work because Pelosi is sticking to her guns, thank goodness) by giving the Democrats DACA has failed... Because Trump told them he wouldn't sign it, again. I can't find a real article yet, though, just a video link through Yahoo and Fox here.

Seems like Trump isn't interested in working with Congress anymore. I think he might honestly try to declare a National Emergency for this Wall now. I think the next (Democrat Controlled) House is going to have to remove a lot of powers from the Presidency, or else we are going to one day end up with a Julius and Augustus Caesar situation (IE, an eventual Military Dictatorship). We're already dealing with someone who's trying to be a Caesar, but is thankfully incompetent in all things Governmental.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Jan 10th 2019 at 10:47:09 AM

M84 Freedom is the right of all sentient beings from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Jan 10th 2019 at 7:48:42 PM

Trump was never interested in working with Congress. He only wanted Congress to work for him, not with him.

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Parable So I Am from California Relationship Status: Star-crossed
So I Am
Jan 10th 2019 at 7:53:06 PM

Saw a Vox article that said Trump's staff actually wants him to declare a national emergency to start building the wall because then he won't have to keep the government closed and they don't believe it will hold up in court anyway, so the entire problem will be gone.

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M84 Freedom is the right of all sentient beings from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Jan 10th 2019 at 7:55:02 PM

[up]Trump's staff are fucking idiots, then.

Which goes without saying I suppose since these are the people who are still willing to be anywhere near Trump, the orange resume-stain.

Edited by M84 on Jan 10th 2019 at 11:55:46 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Jan 10th 2019 at 7:55:56 PM

Thread, since this week's big Manafort News kinda got lost in the craziness. (I cut out some of the tangents and asides, and formatted it for easier reading)

THREAD: What does the recent revelation that Paul Manafort provided internal polling data from the Trump campaign with an alleged Russian intelligence operative tell us? (A lot.)

This week we learned that Paul Manafort provided Trump campaign internal polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, who Mueller has previously identified as a Russian intelligence operative. This is the most significant Russia-related evidence we've seen.

Until this week, based solely on what we know publicly, the most significant criminal liability for Trump has been obstruction of justice (readily provable based on public evidence) and campaign finance felonies (federal prosecutors found he directed Cohen to commit them).

Yet the Mueller investigation is seen by the public as an investigation into "collusion," a term that has no legal meaning in this context. It appears to refer to an alleged conspiracy between the Kremlin and Trump associates to undermine our election.

5/ Until this week, based solely on publicly available evidence, it was unclear how or whether Mueller could prove a Trump associate committed a crime resembling "collusion." Now, even @ShepNewsTeam and @Judgenap of @Fox News think there was "collusion" note 

6/ I'm not going to discuss whether or not there was "collusion" because it means nothing as a legal matter. But it is now easy to see how Mueller could prove a crime that resembles collusion. So let's talk about how Manafort's activity could be part of a federal crime.

As a starting point, the obvious implication to draw from Manafort's activity is nefarious. Why would the campaign chair of a major party presidential candidate provide internal polling data to a Russian intelligence operative? An obvious implication is he wanted Russian help. To be clear, it is not illegal in and of itself to prove internal polling data to a Russian operative, as Giuliani pointed out today. But it's often the case that actions that are not themselves a crime are part of a crime.

For example, wearing a ski mask while walking into a bank is not a crime, but robbing a bank is a federal crime. (I made this same argument at a trial when I was a federal prosecutor—transcript below.) There are potential non-criminal explanations for Manafort's actions. For example, Manafort was owed a lot of money by the oligarchs, so his lawyers could argue that he provided the data to show that his influence was valuable because Trump had a path to victory. That's hardly surprising. After all, there are also innocent reasons to wear a ski mask into a bank! No case is proven with a single exhibit.

So let's examine what potential crimes Manafort could be guilty of, how this evidence fits in, and what Mueller would need to prove.

The most obvious potential liability for Manafort stems from Mueller's indictment of Russian operatives for defrauding the United States by "interfering with the U.S. political and electoral processes, including the presidential election of 2016." [1]

Manafort is guilty of "aiding and abetting" the Russian criminal conspiracy if he knew about the criminal activity and helped make it succeed. It's not hard to see how this new evidence helps prove that—the internal polling data could have helped the Russians target voters.

The big question, however, is whether Mueller could prove that Manafort knew about the Russian conspiracy before he provided the polling data. Knowledge is always the hardest thing to prove, and there is no *direct* evidence of Manafort's knowledge in the public record.

During our discussion in the new #On Topic podcast, @Mimirocah1 concluded that there *was* enough public evidence to prove Manafort's knowledge of the Russian conspiracy through circumstantial evidence, by inferring it from what we do know about Manafort's Russian ties. I disagree with her — there is not enough *public* evidence to prove knowledge — but the fact that a serious former federal prosecutor like Mimi could credibly make that argument speaks volumes about the power of this week's revelation.

While aiding and abetting is Manafort's most serious potential liability, this week's revelation suggests two other potential charges. First, Manafort could also be guilty of joining the Russian criminal conspiracy if he agreed to play some role in their criminal effort. Mueller would not need to prove that Manafort knew about everyone involved in the Russian influence operation, or that he took part in every part of the conspiracy. But he would have to prove that Manafort knew about the criminal activity and agreed to play some role in it.

That can be harder to prove than Manafort's mere knowledge of the Russian conspiracy. Mueller would have to prove that in addition to knowing about the effort, Manafort joined the conspiracy in some fashion. Aiding and abetting is an easier fit here.

Second, Mueller could potentially prove that Manafort offered to trade a public act (like lifting sanctions) in exchange for something of value (like helping Trump win). This would require the most evidence beyond what we know publicly.

So let's go back to aiding and abetting for a moment. The penalty for aiding and abetting is the same as the underlying crime. So Manafort would face the same punishment for this crime as the Russians would for undermining our election. It wouldn't matter as to Manafort, who is already facing what amounts to a life sentence. But it helps explain why he might have lied about this matter, and helps explain why it was important to Mueller.

If others worked with Manafort to aid the Russian effort, and knew about what the Russians were doing, they would be guilty as well, and Manafort's cooperation deal obligated him to cooperate against those other individuals.

The bottom line is this—for the first time, publicly available evidence brings us close to proving that a close Trump associate committed a crime by aiding Russian influence efforts. That is a very big deal and it should change our expectations going forward. /end

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Jan 10th 2019 at 7:56:40 PM

To play on Mark Twain, "Suppose you were an idiot. Now suppose you were a Trump staffer. But I repeat myself."

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas
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Jan 10th 2019 at 7:56:47 PM So I'll make a resolution, that I'll never make another one, just enjoy this ride on my trip around the sun, until its done.
CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Jan 10th 2019 at 8:02:21 PM

Re: Manafort

I'm reminded of Sally Hemmings DNA test that proved her descendants were Thomas Jefferson's.

The only thing surprising was people were shocked.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 10th 2019 at 8:09:46 AM

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TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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Jan 10th 2019 at 8:07:59 PM

[up][up] It would seem that Texans know how to give idiots the middle finger. Well done, Tarrant County.

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SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Jan 10th 2019 at 8:10:40 PM

Trump administration lays groundwork to declare national emergency to build wall.

The administration is eyeing unused money in the Army Corps of Engineers budget, specifically a disaster spending bill passed by Congress last year that includes $13.9 billion allocated but not spent for civil works projects, two people with knowledge of the developments said Thursday.

Trump has urged the Army Corps to determine how fast contracts could be signed and whether construction could begin within 45 days, according to one of the people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the preparations.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jan 10th 2019 at 9:52:10 PM

I am wary about the legality os such a move.


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