I suppose. People who voted to keep Nakama and then left ... hard to take them as sincere. If tropes mattered to them, they'd still be around.
The other part, though ... yeah, we should wait for the Sunday and Monday crowd to chime in. We have a lot of people who only chill with us on Sundays or recover from their at-work hangover with us on Mondays.
Is there a headline on this? There should be a headline on this.
edited 9th Jul '11 3:44:33 PM by FastEddie
Goal: Clear, Concise and WittyOkay, just chiming in with my opinion:
I'm in support of a rename. I was against it until I read that it didn't mean what I thought it meant. The More You Know, eh?
So, yeah, rename it. It's an English site, only a small group of potential members know what it could mean, it's misleading for any Japanese-fluent people who read this site, and I'd vote for Framily as a potential rename candidate.
Edit: Although if people don't like it enough, I'll throw my Wonka hat into the ring for Thicker Than Blood. We've got other themed 'sets' of similar titles which describe various things, yes?
I dunno, it seems a little corny, but then so is Nakama. It... fits.
edited 9th Jul '11 4:17:56 PM by IniquitusTheThird
Storm and trouble won't make you make you lose your way. (Tits might, though.)@Eddie: Do you have the ability to track just who voted what on the crowner? I'm just worried about the sudden surge in "no" votes combined with a strangely low "no" posts. Sockpuppet voting has been done before, after all.
edited 9th Jul '11 4:17:20 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.I would appreciate it if we could keep things to just talking about reasons for or against the rename or on possible alternative titles. I find the celebrating and discussion of the possible motivations of or supposed "ballot-stuffing" related to people who wanted to keep the Nakama name quite inappropriate.
I cannot say I like Framily as a possible new name just because I am unfamiliar with the term and I think that Camaraderie may describe the relationship better. I like Friends Like Family too for similar reasons, but if Framily really is a pre-existing term for this sort of thing, I can understand why one might support it as the new name.
edited 9th Jul '11 4:18:21 PM by LouieW
"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 dI was a little worried that Eddie's very-terse headline might attract a disproportionate number of anti-renamers. It took me a long time to learn to recognize this term, and I'm generally neutral on anime/manga-specific tropes. A couple of years ago, I probably would have looked at the headline and said "meh", even though I'd frequently been confused and annoyed at the name, because it was so obscure that I found it hard to remember.
However, so far, the post-headline voting seems to be running about 2:1 in favor of a rename. Maybe the idea of clarity over coolness (or whatever) has simply become a little more accepted over the last couple of years. (I suspect that the discovery that the term is incorrect in Japanese probably helped sway a few on-the-edge folks too, though.)
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.As a member of SPOON, I'll have to say that Thicker Than Blood does sound cool, but is not indicative enough.
The sin of silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.Thicker Than Blood doesn't fit the naming requirements we're putting on this one. Unshakable Camaraderie was the most popular version earlier but since it's an adjective phrase and not a noun it's mostly been rejected.
Would Friends Like Family work? Simple and to the point.
And I know the rename crowner is pretty lopsided at the moment, but we should still hold off for maybe a full week on this one. There's no rush, and there's always the possibility that the umpty-billion who hate the rename just haven't seen this yet.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.Using an adjective phrase for Nakama isn't going to work. Most of the uses of it are as a noun, referring to the group itself, not just the relationship the group has. "Joe's nakama" works. "Joe's Thicker Than Blood" doesn't. A noun or noun phrase can be adjectivized more easily than an adjective can be nounized *
I liked Unshakable Fellowship alot, Framily is just asking to be misused, avoided(more people will change it to a redirect or pothole it just to avoid corny connotations) and laughed at.
As seen before this trope is Serious Business. So let's keep it serious and not corny or goofy.
edited 9th Jul '11 5:03:28 PM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!I like Camaraderie as a name. Maybe with Thicker Than Blood as a redirect, though. Unshakeable Friendship? No, that makes it sound like it's just between two people...
Framily remindss me of Nice Job Breaking It, Herod. It looks like a typo.
We've tried this before, hasn't worked then, won't work now.
Do I personally disapprove? Eh, sort of. But the moment you change the name you're going to get a flood of people protesting it, and it will not matter to them that you don't think their opinion doesn't count cuz they didn't show up. Hell, you probably have a point, but that's hardly going to matter to them.
If you're prepared to deal with that kind of thing, then by all means, but I'm just saying I cannot see this possibly ending well.
And if you are going to rename it, you should definitely leave Nakama as a redirect.
edited 9th Jul '11 5:08:36 PM by SpainSun
I spread my wings and I learn how to fly....I think that Nakama should definitely be renamed. It is Japanese loanword that a lot of people understand, but the site is using it despite the fact that there are other English words, terms, or phrases with a similar meaning.
There is no reason to keep "Nakama" as a trope name, aside from sentimentalism. It's confusing to newcomers.
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Or most of the people who liked the name have either left in the meantime or haven't visited this forum in the last 24 hours.