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joeyjojojuniorshabadoo Since: Nov, 2010
#126: Jul 9th 2011 at 3:38:26 PM

Or most of the people who liked the name have either left in the meantime or haven't visited this forum in the last 24 hours.

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#127: Jul 9th 2011 at 3:43:58 PM

I suppose. People who voted to keep Nakama and then left ... hard to take them as sincere. If tropes mattered to them, they'd still be around.

The other part, though ... yeah, we should wait for the Sunday and Monday crowd to chime in. We have a lot of people who only chill with us on Sundays or recover from their at-work hangover with us on Mondays.

Is there a headline on this? There should be a headline on this.

edited 9th Jul '11 3:44:33 PM by FastEddie

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mahel042 State-sponsored username from Stockholm,Sweden Since: Dec, 2009
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#128: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:09:35 PM

When this goes through I'm going to celebrate.

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joeyjojojuniorshabadoo Since: Nov, 2010
#129: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:10:36 PM

How long ago was the last renaming thread, anyway?

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#130: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:11:47 PM

Hmm. Two years ago, maybe? It made a really big noise. I think Janitor was presiding at the time.

edited 9th Jul '11 4:13:41 PM by FastEddie

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IniquitusTheThird Laugh into the rain. from Wossname. Since: Dec, 2010
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#131: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:14:32 PM

Okay, just chiming in with my opinion:

I'm in support of a rename. I was against it until I read that it didn't mean what I thought it meant. The More You Know, eh?

So, yeah, rename it. It's an English site, only a small group of potential members know what it could mean, it's misleading for any Japanese-fluent people who read this site, and I'd vote for Framily as a potential rename candidate.

Edit: Although if people don't like it enough, I'll throw my Wonka hat into the ring for Thicker Than Blood. We've got other themed 'sets' of similar titles which describe various things, yes?

I dunno, it seems a little corny, but then so is Nakama. It... fits.

edited 9th Jul '11 4:17:56 PM by IniquitusTheThird

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#132: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:16:56 PM

@Eddie: Do you have the ability to track just who voted what on the crowner? I'm just worried about the sudden surge in "no" votes combined with a strangely low "no" posts. Sockpuppet voting has been done before, after all.

edited 9th Jul '11 4:17:20 PM by MarqFJA

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LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
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#133: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:17:08 PM

I would appreciate it if we could keep things to just talking about reasons for or against the rename or on possible alternative titles. I find the celebrating and discussion of the possible motivations of or supposed "ballot-stuffing" related to people who wanted to keep the Nakama name quite inappropriate.

I cannot say I like Framily as a possible new name just because I am unfamiliar with the term and I think that Camaraderie may describe the relationship better. I like Friends Like Family too for similar reasons, but if Framily really is a pre-existing term for this sort of thing, I can understand why one might support it as the new name.

edited 9th Jul '11 4:18:21 PM by LouieW

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#134: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:18:55 PM

Yeah, it is corny. That's not bad, though, corniness. All my favs have a corny all-for-one thing going on to some extent.

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#136: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:39:16 PM

I was a little worried that Eddie's very-terse headline might attract a disproportionate number of anti-renamers. It took me a long time to learn to recognize this term, and I'm generally neutral on anime/manga-specific tropes. A couple of years ago, I probably would have looked at the headline and said "meh", even though I'd frequently been confused and annoyed at the name, because it was so obscure that I found it hard to remember.

However, so far, the post-headline voting seems to be running about 2:1 in favor of a rename. Maybe the idea of clarity over coolness (or whatever) has simply become a little more accepted over the last couple of years. (I suspect that the discovery that the term is incorrect in Japanese probably helped sway a few on-the-edge folks too, though.)

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MilosStefanovic Decemberist from White City, Ruritania Since: Oct, 2010
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#137: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:40:53 PM

As a member of SPOON, I'll have to say that Thicker Than Blood does sound cool, but is not indicative enough.

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Sutremaine Since: Jan, 2001
#138: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:43:56 PM

Framily reads as a misspelling to me, and lacks a certain... vitality? I like Thicker Than Blood as a rename, as it conveys a sense of what the relationship is about.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#139: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:46:05 PM

Thicker Than Blood doesn't fit the naming requirements we're putting on this one. Unshakable Camaraderie was the most popular version earlier but since it's an adjective phrase and not a noun it's mostly been rejected.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#140: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:50:50 PM

Would Friends Like Family work? Simple and to the point.

And I know the rename crowner is pretty lopsided at the moment, but we should still hold off for maybe a full week on this one. There's no rush, and there's always the possibility that the umpty-billion who hate the rename just haven't seen this yet.

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#141: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:52:26 PM

I find the...discussion of the possible motivations of or supposed "ballot-stuffing" related to people who wanted to keep the Nakama name quite inappropriate.
The problem is that at least one crowner in an Image Pickin' thread had to be completely rebooted a few months back because people were using sockpuppets to fuck with the voting. I'd much rather know that Eddie's keeping tabs on the votes than not, especially with this particular topic considering the...shall we say, heated history of debates over the name.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#142: Jul 9th 2011 at 4:55:17 PM

Using an adjective phrase for Nakama isn't going to work. Most of the uses of it are as a noun, referring to the group itself, not just the relationship the group has. "Joe's nakama" works. "Joe's Thicker Than Blood" doesn't. A noun or noun phrase can be adjectivized more easily than an adjective can be nounized *

Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#143: Jul 9th 2011 at 5:01:52 PM

I liked Unshakable Fellowship alot, Framily is just asking to be misused, avoided(more people will change it to a redirect or pothole it just to avoid corny connotations) and laughed at.

As seen before this trope is Serious Business. So let's keep it serious and not corny or goofy.

edited 9th Jul '11 5:03:28 PM by Raso

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AllanAssiduity Since: Dec, 1969
#144: Jul 9th 2011 at 5:07:13 PM

I like Camaraderie as a name. Maybe with Thicker Than Blood as a redirect, though. Unshakeable Friendship? No, that makes it sound like it's just between two people...

Framily remindss me of Nice Job Breaking It, Herod. It looks like a typo.

SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
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#145: Jul 9th 2011 at 5:07:22 PM

We've tried this before, hasn't worked then, won't work now.

Do I personally disapprove? Eh, sort of. But the moment you change the name you're going to get a flood of people protesting it, and it will not matter to them that you don't think their opinion doesn't count cuz they didn't show up. Hell, you probably have a point, but that's hardly going to matter to them.

If you're prepared to deal with that kind of thing, then by all means, but I'm just saying I cannot see this possibly ending well.

And if you are going to rename it, you should definitely leave Nakama as a redirect.

edited 9th Jul '11 5:08:36 PM by SpainSun

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animenutcase Since: Jan, 2001
#146: Jul 9th 2011 at 5:08:03 PM

I'm going to have to say "nay" here. "Nakama" has worked so far, I don't see any reason to change it.

joeyjojojuniorshabadoo Since: Nov, 2010
#147: Jul 9th 2011 at 5:08:32 PM

[up][up]The numbers (and posts in this thread so far) say otherwise.

edited 9th Jul '11 5:08:53 PM by joeyjojojuniorshabadoo

SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
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#148: Jul 9th 2011 at 5:09:12 PM

The amount of people (in general) disinclined to chime in an issue until it pisses them off is staggering. I wouldn't underestimate the "eh, it'll never change, why bother?" crowd's size.

edited 9th Jul '11 5:09:37 PM by SpainSun

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AllanAssiduity Since: Dec, 1969
#149: Jul 9th 2011 at 5:11:37 PM

^ That really is their own fault. It's a headline now; you can't miss it unless you aren't online.

How long is the vote running for?

LilPaladinSuzy Chaotic New Troll from 4chan Since: Jul, 2010
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#150: Jul 9th 2011 at 5:12:30 PM

I think that Nakama should definitely be renamed. It is Japanese loanword that a lot of people understand, but the site is using it despite the fact that there are other English words, terms, or phrases with a similar meaning.

There is no reason to keep "Nakama" as a trope name, aside from sentimentalism. It's confusing to newcomers.

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11th Jul '11 8:18:19 PM

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Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.

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