What, do you want me to give Kasumi a reward for what she did? Cause I can do that. Cause I don't really care that Kasumi did what she did, even if I didn't find it as funny as you did. If all you want is in-character validation, I can give it.
edited 5th Jun '15 2:29:10 PM by Raidouthe21st
We Are Our Avatars Forever (Now on Discord by invitation, PM)@ Chuck: I am pretty sure I sent it, it should have happened right before she asked tidbit if he wanted to try, but those posts were made on my phone which does admitantly have the tendancy to eat posts. :/
@ Neon: Hell no, OOC I like Blues, I just want to see either one of two things.
- People being less bitchy about fun events unless they threaten to cause long term harm to the crew, or company property.
- Failing that, consistency amongst punishment, meaning that Blues gets called out for her actions too.
@ Nemstol: If you dont know, don't ask. >.<
@ Rai: No, read the Neon post, I want consistency....
edited 5th Jun '15 2:31:54 PM by Imca
...Gonna be honest here.
I've been trying my goddamn damndest to do that whole "consistency" thing ever since you complained about it months ago, and considering I'm still getting flack for supposed favoritism, I'm just so damn tired of it too.
And frankly, I'm really starting to not want to continue on in this game if I'm apparently not living up to what I promise even after months of trying. :/
edited 5th Jun '15 2:35:25 PM by Raidouthe21st
We Are Our Avatars Forever (Now on Discord by invitation, PM)I created Mindy to be a character who is more sensitive than the average merc and averse to causing unnecessary harm, much for the same reason I created Pluto, who also sticks out amongst the cast for being more by being (somewhat) more by-the-book than the others.
I am starting to think I should just stop making characters like this if they are going to cause this much of a problem and get in the way of people's fun.
edited 5th Jun '15 2:36:48 PM by HilarityEnsues
@ Rai: Most of the problems lie in just a few characters getting preferential treatment, you actually have improved a lot with getting consistency amongst every one else.
@ Hil: Thats is not the problem, the problem is the massive disparity in reactions to an event is.
Just did 5 kilos of the companies cocaine, worth about $600,000? "Awww I hope she is okay", No objection just.... "I hope she is okay"
Then today? Instant anger, no wondering why for instance? Or no just sympathizing with any one effected which would have been comparable reactions.
edited 5th Jun '15 2:45:04 PM by Imca
Hey, Sunny.
Just so you are aware...
Your character Luna gets "preferential treatment" too, considering how in most practices killing a fellow employee is not okay. Even if said person is Donna. And that's because it's her. It's what she does. She eats dead people. And she tests her dangerous shit on Donna because he can take it. Punishing her for being herself would be counter-productive and not really all that fun. If there's something wrong with that sort of thing, I can immediately reverse how I approach it, no problem.
Also, Samus doesn't know what everyone is planning to do with that cocaine, and that Blues took a few sniffs of it. Otherwise she would have thrown that shit out the airlock ages ago. But I didn't do that, nor am I going to do that, because it wouldn't be "fun" for you all, would it, to just remove a plot element for the side-quest going ons?
Also also, if anyone actually reported to Samus what Kasumi did, the most she would have even gotten is a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again, since the only two guys who actually got affected are doing nothing about it, since one is Donna who gets no respect anyways, and the other tried to act like he wasn't affected through the power of alcoholism. Every character is voicing a personal opinion, but obviously they weren't enraged enough to make anyone in authority actually get involved. I mean, the character Chuck Weiss is standing right there in earshot. He coulda made things worse if he or his player cared.
Seriously, I have no idea what else I could be doing wrong. Someone tell me what I'm missing here?
edited 5th Jun '15 2:59:46 PM by Raidouthe21st
We Are Our Avatars Forever (Now on Discord by invitation, PM)Frankly if I had a character bring their objections to, say, stealing cocaine, it wouldn't do anything except be dismissed or possibly start a fight that ends in one of my characters leaving. It's a plot point now, one that has been approved by the higher ups at Kereboros. There is literally nothing I can do that will be effective.
edited 5th Jun '15 3:05:13 PM by HilarityEnsues
Three points I'mma make;
- Yes, Tibalt was untrustworthy at the time, and for good reason, but while it went unsaid, I figure "giving Dash a decency spell that actually worked" was good enough of a reason to at least consider him better than most of the rest of the rabble. This in mind, Tibalt was still untrustworthy while the Testiculotron 9001* was being set up, so this might be a moot point.
- I have noted Blues is getting some unfair treatment, but for various reasons (some of which I will plead the Fifth against, even though I'm Canadian) I've never really pursued action against her.
- Just like Hil, I really couldn't care OOC. The problem is that IC my characters will, and just because they say shit doesn't necessarily mean the shit they say is of my opinion.
This in mind, I am with you on both the "consistency of punishment" and the "let's stop getting mad about fun shit" thing, and if I did end up inadventently causing any of this, I apologize. Just poke me if I'm getting too serious when I shouldn't be and I'll reconsider my character's reaction, okay?
edited 5th Jun '15 3:04:40 PM by SpartyMcFly
"Seven is here too, dressed like the concept of choosing clothes that look nice together was an arcane secret far beyond their grasp."Pitching my two cents (or is it three?).
- IC, for Valison he may lacking a spine, but he has some standards and Kasumi stomping away hasn't colored his perceptions of her in a positive way or with the merc company.
- OOC, the joke just doesn't work for me personally (nor do I hate it) but I just consider it water under the bridge, just moving on. I do understand that your phone's a jerk who screwed up the delivery. Sunny, it's not that I'm against you on this overall, I just consider "nut zapping" subject a misfired joke.
- However I do kinda agree with the serious matter of favoritism and double standards with certain characters. This made me feel reluctant with pulling off riskier actions and thus it questions myself why should I stick around if these guys get away with the more crazier acts?
edited 5th Jun '15 3:30:29 PM by MrKirb
@ Rai: The defining feature for punishment or being called in IMHO should be causing lasting harm to company property/personnel.... something Luna has actually only done like twice, for the most part she uses Donna who respawns, thus it is not lasting.
Things like say Albert and Longrams contamination of the food supply DO cause lasting harm to the company, in that all the money that they spent on that food is now down the drain.
Blues consumption of the product is 600k that the company lost, and is not going to get back, not something to fire over but... it is something that people should not really approve of.
And spacing the stuff her self would kinda put Samus herself into the harming the company category... that's 240 million for the company coffers, considering the crew get paid about 5k a week.... that's 900 years of pay divided by the amount of crew present on the ship.
Fucking up in a mission falls under the same category, did they endanger themselves? Thats kinda fine, the problem is when they edanger or damage the group property.... This one is extremely malleable, because if say they have to use the tank to bail them out? Fuel and Ammo for that monster is not cheap, and some clients may have demands that can also be involved here, like "Not making a scene"
Does this make sense?
@ Spart: Point A) Exactly, he was not trustworthy when it was being set up, and his solution only applied to Dash, not any other women who may want to swim which was kinda a point of the post that apparently got eaten.
Point B) You should bring up ANY form of unfair treatment you note IMHO, it is better actually work the stuff out then to sit on it forever.
Point C) And so IC Dash would rather trust a spell from some one that had every (Known) reason to profit on its failure, over a Joy Buzzer?
edited 5th Jun '15 3:29:12 PM by Imca
- Alpha: On the one hand, I'm fairly sure that Tibalt would easily have offered to give it to the rest (or at least give a fairly good reason as to why he couldn't) if he'd been pressed. On the other hand, like you said, the phone demanded your post as a sacrifice, so I suppose it's not really worth debating this any further.
- Beta: To be fair I was more acting on it ICly than OOCly, but I'll keep that in mind for the future.
- Delta: I'll cede this one to you. I done goofed, which I seem to be doing a lot lately. I've just stopped giving a shit about in-person errors of judgement when not shooting people as compared to fuck-ups when shooting people that could end up costing people and Kerberos. Though Kasumi never did say it was a joy buzzer; only that it was used with farm animals, which, although I am fully aware of the message you were sending (that it wasn't going to leave any actual lasting harm), may not have been the best choice of words for that given situation.
edited 5th Jun '15 3:27:33 PM by SpartyMcFly
"Seven is here too, dressed like the concept of choosing clothes that look nice together was an arcane secret far beyond their grasp."I'm pretty sure that you missed the point of what I was saying, that as someone playing a character in authority I've turned so many blind eyes to so many things solely to not quash you guys' fun or let my personal opinion bleed into the game that it's really frustrating me how you're now telling me I'm "unfair" solely because an outsider found what a character said distasteful.
But then again...I'm getting a massive headache right now, and I really never wanted to argue. I mean, I haven't eaten all day, and my dinner's getting cold as I sit here and try to figure out what the issue is.
So whatever, you're right, I screwed up. Just...go ahead and demote my characters if I'm doing this preferential treatment shit so badly to you, I don't want any more part of this.
edited 5th Jun '15 3:28:49 PM by Raidouthe21st
We Are Our Avatars Forever (Now on Discord by invitation, PM)Then what are you asking me to even do to change how I play? Apparently "favoritism" is my current biggest issue here, but I don't know where exactly I need to look to change things, and nobody is telling me.
Especially since I can't see anywhere where a character is being treated any more unfairly than any others. Nobody has a problem with people like Donna or Deadpool being outright insulted and abused by their own friends, but the instant that there's a disagreement between several characters for how they should have handled a potential problem, bam. It's now a massive favoritism issue.
edited 5th Jun '15 3:58:42 PM by Raidouthe21st
We Are Our Avatars Forever (Now on Discord by invitation, PM)6:57 PM - Hilarity: I was looking at the various mishaps in the RP Sunny brought up, and I got to thinking that when it really comes down to it, I think that my characters would've probably left the RP by now if they were completley consistent in how they reacted to everything 6:58 PM - Hilarity: Like, why would relatively straightlaced people want to work with cocaine smugglers 6:58 PM - Hilarity: I genuinely think this is bad writing on my part
Said this on Steam, but it needs to be repeated for here.
I'm think I'm just going to have my characters loosen up a lot, about everything. I don't know how I'm going to justify this, and I don't care. There is just no other way I can deal with this. The only thing being more consistent with how my characters react to everything is going to get me is more friction with more players as I keep clashing with them over RP things are just not important enough to me to even want to start arguments over. I don't see this ending in anything other than me retiring my current cast.
I know at least some of you like the way I play my characters, but I'm sorry. This is the breaking point. If the options I have are to have my characters become more confrontational with people and become bigger sticks in the mud for the sake of consistency, or to just chill out, I'm going to take the latter. I don't want to deal with this anymore.
As for Blues specifically, I think the reason she's as accepted as she is is because she actually has mental problems she has to deal with.
edit: man this post is really disjointed and bad but I'm having trouble phrasing things right now
edited 5th Jun '15 4:47:21 PM by HilarityEnsues
I don't qualify it as "accepted" so much as "given small concessions for", considering it's out of Blues' conscious control to how much her more negative traits can influence her, like it is with some of the other characters who are given more lax standards as to how people approached. Generally the ones with a specific dysfunction that makes it amazing they're as effective as they are right now.
Nobody treats Blues having mental problems as a good thing, nor do I think anyone wants to.
edited 5th Jun '15 4:52:11 PM by Raidouthe21st
We Are Our Avatars Forever (Now on Discord by invitation, PM)Yeah, accepted was probably the wrong word. The point I was trying to make was that there are reasons behind her actions that mean she is treated differently than how, say, someone like Samus would be if she did some of the things Blues has done.
...I mean, it wouldn't make any sense character-wise, but it's just an example.

Wait, what's going on?
Will make dad jokes for friends.