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Spinned off from the British Politics Thread. Basically a thread where we talk about news and politics that affect Europe as a whole rather than certain countries in it.

Anyway BBC News section for Europe Based news.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 9th 2024 at 3:24:05 PM

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#1976: Nov 15th 2015 at 9:27:27 AM

[up] While it's true that some traditions are left behind, it's also the duty of a country to keep the good traditions from dissapearing.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
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#1977: Nov 15th 2015 at 10:01:16 AM

Ok, guys you would have to sorry my ignorance right now but I didint know where too put it:

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.454/sweden-to-become-a-third-world-country-by-2030-according-to-un.html

Any swidish tropper here to talk about it? I really want to now someone opinion

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#1978: Nov 15th 2015 at 10:12:38 AM

It honestly seems like alarmist nonsense, to me.

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
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#1979: Nov 15th 2015 at 10:20:23 AM

Sweden's leftist establishment and media believe a cornerstone of their perfect society is multiculturalism: large scale immigration from some of the poorest, most backward nations on earth. Swedes who disagree with that plan risk being labeled racist, fascist, even Nazi.

"We had a perfectly good country," Ingrid Carlqvist, a journalist said. "A rich country, a nice country, and in a few years' time, that country will be gone."

The logic should be really simple to understand, yet many have difficulties grasping it: If you import the Third World, it's what you'll get.

Biased sentences with no concrete proof and a statement from a journalist whose website's purpose "is to write the truth about what the mainstream media does not write about"?

Screw that article.

edited 15th Nov '15 10:20:53 AM by Quag15

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#1980: Nov 15th 2015 at 10:29:34 AM

"leftist establishment", "multiculturalism", "mass immigration". Yep, those are the usual buzzwords alright. Add in Islamic/Muslim terrorism/savages in and you can have a bingo.

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#1981: Nov 15th 2015 at 10:49:59 AM

What many people don't understand or refuse to acknowledge is that the refugees who are currently coming to Europe are not the problem, just like in the past. Those first generation refugees are often happy to get menial jobs, live a peaceful live and have enoug to support their family. The problem starts when their children grow up and notice that due to many reasons, they have smaller chances of getting a good job and ascend to the middle class of their respective societies.

As a German, I obviously have it easier to refute arguments of my fellow countrymen when they argue that those refugees "are from uncivilized countries that have no experience with democracy and western values" because if it was possible to make a country full of people who followed Hitler, disdainded Western values (at least most intellectuals did because they "dilluted" German culture and overall did not appreciate democracy into a democratic and pacifist country, we should be able to do so with some refugees.

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#1982: Nov 15th 2015 at 11:52:30 AM

[up]Exactly. And that's what we have to fight against, we have to ensure that refugees feel welcome and that immigrants have a place in our society.

The best thing we can do is reach out our hands, because in doing so, we do much more in destroying the IS than with any bombs. Reaching out and acting humanly undermines their rhetoric. And every refuges who takes our hand is one less who will march with a weapon later on.

There are two things we need to do above everything else: One is to ensure that the Imans (and other religious figures) who are allowed to preach in our country don't preach against the rules of our state. The other is to ensure that the young people here have perspectives.

Let me ask you this: How many terrorists have been active member of a sport club or non-profit society or any other organisation which allows you to feel like you are part of something important and that your effort is appreciated?

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#1983: Nov 15th 2015 at 12:56:38 PM

[up] Osama bin Laden, along with several other leading al-Qaeda contemporaries IIRC, played and coached volleyball in their college years. tongue

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#1984: Nov 15th 2015 at 1:00:49 PM

[up][up]Weren't some of the Da'esh guys who came from Europe failed footballers (or from other sports)? I seem to remember one of them (who was born here in my country) who failed in his career when he migrated to the Netherlands.

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#1985: Nov 15th 2015 at 1:20:04 PM

[up]I was talking about playing for recreation, not about someone who failed in his chosen career (and then dealt with his failure in the worst possible way).

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#1986: Nov 15th 2015 at 1:55:55 PM

Random nitpicky fact, Sweden has always been a third world country, same as Ireland and Switzerland.

And yeah that article looks like some baseless scaremongering to me.

edited 15th Nov '15 1:56:22 PM by Silasw

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#1987: Nov 15th 2015 at 2:01:58 PM

Pretty sure they're going by the modern meaning, ie, level of development, rather than the archaic cold war meaning.

edited 15th Nov '15 2:03:16 PM by Joesolo

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#1988: Nov 15th 2015 at 2:28:31 PM

I did say I was being nitpicky. tongue

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#1989: Nov 15th 2015 at 2:34:02 PM

Danish MP: ‘Bomb women and children’:

Søren Espersen, a senior Danish People’s Party spokesman and the head of parliament's Foreign Policy Committee, said on Sunday that the US-led military campaign against Isis, which Denmark is participating in, should bomb civilian targets.

Speaking two days after Isis claimed credit for the Paris attacks that killed at least 129 people, Espersen said that the West is carrying out its campaign like “gentlemen” but needs to get more aggressive if it is ever to win the fight against Isis, which is alternately known as the Islamic State or IS.

“We aren’t bombing spots where there are civilians, but we need to start doing so. IS hides behind women and children in villages and towns and they know that we are gentlemen won’t bomb them. That needs to end,” he told TV 2.

When asked if that meant he thought the West should bomb women and children, Espersen said “yes, of course”.

“We need to when that’s where the IS fighters are. Those women are also to a large extent part of the system. We can no longer have a situation in which IS operates completely freely knowing full well that they won’t be bombed,” he said.

“We need to develop the war into a real war, otherwise we will lose,” Espersen added.

It reminds me of the rhetoric that happened in the post-9/11 months, somehow.

edited 15th Nov '15 2:34:17 PM by Quag15

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#1990: Nov 15th 2015 at 2:39:15 PM

[up] Does this MP know the definition of "war crime"?

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#1991: Nov 15th 2015 at 3:14:42 PM

[up]A danish friend informed me that the guy is essentially a Neo-Nazi who run into parliament by joining a bigger conservative party.

Like a NPD member joining the CDU to get into the Bundestag. So, non-representative of the danish parliament as a while I'd wager tongue

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#1992: Nov 15th 2015 at 3:50:03 PM

Damn, now the hate talks begin.

Europe is now dealing with the same problem my country (Peru) had, and believe me when I say that a blind backlash will only create more anger in the long run.

I'm going to guess many politics are reeling from the shock of having to deal with a situation that is seen more in Third World countries but if they don't stop to look at the causes and consequences they are going to make a mistake they will regret for their lifetime.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
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#1993: Nov 15th 2015 at 4:46:32 PM

[up]I am just glad that our minister for defence, Ursula von der Leyen, is keeping a clear head. Not my favourite person in the world, but she usually is able to keep focus on what is important.

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#1994: Nov 15th 2015 at 5:40:19 PM

I'm honestly just worried France (and maybe the EU as a whole) will use Paris like the US did 9/11 as an excuse to launch more attacks in the Middle East and cause yet more terrorist attacks and feed the growth of yet more terrorist organisations. And then the far-right parties who were already on the rise with the refugee crisis coming into even greater power and making the problem even worse.

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#1995: Nov 15th 2015 at 6:05:03 PM

[up]This. "...And so, with violent convulsion and oscillation from one extreme to another, with alternations of violent radicalism and violent Bourbonism, the French people went through misery toward a shattered goal." Don't do it again, France. Keep your frickin' cool like we can't.

edited 15th Nov '15 6:07:08 PM by Artificius

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#1996: Nov 16th 2015 at 5:13:49 AM

So that danish MP is essentially saying Screw the Rules, They Broke Them First!?

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#1998: Nov 16th 2015 at 5:34:27 AM

Kristian Jensen is a slimeball.

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#1999: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:09:35 AM

Our allies on the ground have been complaining about the, restrictive rules of engagement that US airstrikes operate under.

[up][up][up][up][up]See this is what people mean when they say left-wingers victim blame when it comes to terrorist attacks.

edited 16th Nov '15 7:45:32 AM by JackOLantern1337

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#2000: Nov 16th 2015 at 7:33:58 AM

Thing is those rules are there for a reason, if we have loose ROI then we're going to end up hitting civilians and radicalising more people. There's simply a technological limit on how precise we can be from the air. It's a lot easier to avoid killing civilians when you're sending a squad of infantry to clear a house compared to when you're dropping a bomb in the general area of a house.

Also what's your [up] referring to?

edited 16th Nov '15 7:34:45 AM by Silasw

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