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Zarastro from Badenland
Dec 2nd 2018 at 11:52:11 PM

[up] I'd argue that more information are now available and the narrative has changed from "They want to ban memes" to "Perhaps some changes are indeed needed".

99 Erdogans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYcCSY1LZg0
Dec 3rd 2018 at 12:16:21 AM

There are still reasons to be critical about it. But I think we have moved from "this is the worst thing ever" to understanding that this is a complex topic. Plus, it's currently in the rewrite phase.

I also think that more and more people realize that the EU isn't doing this for sh... and giggles, but that this is part of a bigger attempt to wrestle control from the big tech companies. At least I feel more comfortable with the EU setting the rules than google or Facebook doing it.

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Dec 3rd 2018 at 12:51:01 AM

We're still critical, but the 13 that passed got some language that ameliorated some concerns.

But right now we're more or less at 'wait and see' and there are honestly bigger issues we're all fired up again.

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Dec 3rd 2018 at 3:14:22 AM

I remain skeptical, nut it has very little to do with the meme ban outrage bandwagon and a lot more to do with the fact that I don't trust the EU, as an institution, to have the best interest of the public in mind if the benefactors are primarily going to be the capitalist class.

As is the case with Article 13. But short of buying s ticket to Brussels to demonstrate, I've done all I can and contacted my MEP.

The news that they have nothing to fear is guaranteed to strike fear into the hearts of innocents everywhere.
Dec 3rd 2018 at 3:24:37 AM

[up] I wonder...is there anything the EU has ever done you won't frame in this way?

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Dec 3rd 2018 at 3:57:01 AM

[up] The net neutrality provisos introduced back in...2015? Those were an excellent idea and will probably facilitate future commerce. Good job, EU.

And the billion-dollar fines that got slapped on Google back in 2017 were also welcome.

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Dec 3rd 2018 at 3:58:04 AM

Didn't they also get Apple to pay back taxes?

Disgusted, but not surprised
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Dec 3rd 2018 at 3:59:34 AM

[up] I believe that was in the form of aforementioned billion-dollar fine. Apple got one too. Facebook, I think, was another company that got a pretty big slap on the wrist?

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Dec 3rd 2018 at 3:59:43 AM

[up][up][up] so...what about environmental regulations? Are they for the benefit of big companies, too? What about animal protection laws?

[up] Yep, they took on Facebook too, and I think they aren't done there yet.

Sorry for needling you a little bit, but I think it is a little bit too easy to act as if the EU is always and ever in everything favouring big businesses. They really don't. There are shadows in the EU, but there is also a lot of light, and I think the EU deserves to get portrayed as what it is, an attempt of multiple countries to work together for the people living in them. It is not just some sort of corporate shill.

Edited by Swanpride on Dec 3rd 2018 at 4:02:58 AM

math792d The justification for everything from Tesladyne, LLC Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
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Dec 3rd 2018 at 4:02:48 AM

Both good, if terribly unambitious.

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Dec 3rd 2018 at 4:03:59 AM

[up] Sure, but you have to start somewhere and it is better than nothing. So, fight for the EU building on it.

Ajavalo Just a curious guy from Cáceres, Extremadura Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Just a curious guy
Dec 3rd 2018 at 4:05:27 AM

Bad news from Spain: the far-right party Vox will be storming into Andalusia's regional parliament after yesterday's election. The Socialist Party (PSOE) got first place, but chances are it will finally leave the regional government after 40 years.

The turnout has been very low, so one of the reasons for this seems to be a distrust of the region's left-wing parties. The PSOE of Andalusia has a long history of corruption, after all.

Maybe we -the sensible people of the world, I mean- should start moving the focus away from the far right and instead try to raise the hopes and trust of the rest of the population?

El Erizo Sónico
Dec 3rd 2018 at 4:08:42 AM

[up] I always say that we should worry less about what the far right does and more about representing the voters parties they can get behind. Being corrupt naturally doesn't help. But if the people have a choice, they are more likely to vote for the option which presents them with some form of hope.

Dec 3rd 2018 at 5:20:19 AM

Something i've also seen people worry about is Article 13 spreading to other countries.

Dec 3rd 2018 at 5:22:40 AM

[up] Which other countries? The EU is already covering most of Europe. And people outside of Europe aren't exactly prone to copying our laws.

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Dec 3rd 2018 at 5:34:34 AM

No offense but this is really getting into Single-Issue Wonk 😐

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Dec 3rd 2018 at 5:37:44 AM

Well, Brexit is already discussed in the UK thread, Hungary in the Eastern European thread, So Article 13 is the next issue which gets the most attention currently.

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Dec 3rd 2018 at 8:38:34 AM

Ok, change of topic.

How is Belgium’s lawsuit against EA going? Last I heard is that EA was willing to fight for keeping microtransactions in its games in spite of the accusations of gambling and generating gambling addiction in its consumers.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
Dec 3rd 2018 at 9:00:11 AM

I haven't heard anything but I really hope Belgium gives those bastards the shaft!

Edited by Kaiseror on Dec 3rd 2018 at 11:00:34 AM

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Dec 4th 2018 at 7:15:23 AM

COP 24 - that climate summit happening in Katowice, Poland right now - is freshly beginning, and yet there's already dissonance (made deliberately, I assume) amongst the gov.

Even discounting the irony of the statement that a climate summit is happening in the very centerpoint of bad air and smog as far as Europe goes, here we have PM Morawiecki announcing that Poland is understanding and prepared to transition from coal to renewable energies. And yet, not far away from there, we had President Duda make an announcement that "as long as he's the President, he won't let anyone murder the mining industry". Murder, yes.

Coincidentally, today is Miner's Day in Poland.

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Dec 4th 2018 at 7:37:13 AM

Ah, I do love when people commit to irrationally propping up obsolete industries that are hurting everyone else. -_-

Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies. -Robert Kennedy
Dec 4th 2018 at 4:21:56 PM

So how long is the summit to last?

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Dec 5th 2018 at 1:41:36 AM

In other Europe news, Denmark is taking a leaf out of Australia's book and wants to process all future migrants to the country on a tiny island that cannot sustain long term human habitation in the numbers that would be required.

Yep, we're back on our bullshit again.

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Zarastro from Badenland
Dec 5th 2018 at 8:20:09 AM

[up] To be fair, the article states that they only want to seclude whose asylum application has been rejected and can not be deported for one reason or another. They are not completely copying Australia.

99 Erdogans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYcCSY1LZg0
Dec 5th 2018 at 9:24:19 AM

I don't see how this will help, though. I mean, I guess this might lead to people trying elsewhere, but at the and of the day, it will just cost you a lot of money for little effect and the chances for human rights violations are huge. It might be better to pressure the countries in question more to take their people back.


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