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Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 9th 2024 at 3:24:05 PM
So, I went and counted them. Out of the 27 members of the EU,
7 are monarchies: Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Belgium, the UK, Spain, Sweden and Denmark; and
20 are republics: Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Austria, Slovenia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Italy, Malta, Portugal, France, Ireland and Germany. When Croatia joins next year, we'll have 21 republics.
edited 2nd Jan '12 3:44:16 PM by BestOf
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.I honestly don't see how the 7 monarchies among us could cause their monarchs to have any powers, even nominal ones, if the entire EU were integrated into a single nation. I don't see how that minority could have such influence in this matter.
edited 2nd Jan '12 3:47:06 PM by BestOf
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.![]()
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It's a bit more complex, of course but it seems true enough for me. JC was Franco's designated successor, and he had no problem to be at his side when the dictator was still alive. And then, the blanket ban to investigations into the Franco era that's still there in Spain... JC would deserve more admiration if he had turned right around after Franco's death and had the francoist scum prosecuted.
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On a completely unrelated note, I'm glad to finally see "republic" used in its correct sense. Silly Americans...
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Not really complicated. The monarchs remain monarchs of their states, even when those are part of an European federation. The federal level is completely republican. The main problem is there never should be an European federation as far as I'm concerned
edited 2nd Jan '12 3:48:50 PM by Octo
Unbent, Unbowed, Unbroken. Unrelated ME1 FanficWell. I have said before that I would be content with the EU if it turned into the Holy European Empire of German Nation. Under the House of Habsburg of course
Haha, well, you can hardly get back in history more and have it still be German. Henry the Fowler used the title "German King" first... Well, uh, how about the Wettins? They used to be Kings of Poland after all
Wettins were liked... you know, all the Large Ham Boisterous Bruiser thing they had, they fit well. As far as I know, they've also got one of the better claims to Polish crown. The others could be Romanoffs, but they are dead, enforced by a foreign power, and not liked either.
Okay, I give you that one. Wettin Emperor, were he a man like his XVIII Century ancestors, could be a guy I'd be fine with.
edit: is it IMPERIAL THREAD HIJACK? Or just a facet of MONARCHIC?
edited 2nd Jan '12 4:15:11 PM by lordGacek
It was nearly impossible to overthrow Franco, thanks to the Allies policies and the international background as well as the situation in the country, so Bourbons thought it was the best way to restore the monarchy, but Juan Carlos visited many, many people on the opossittion as a Prince to plan what it will be the Spanish Transition, Juan Carlos was the key and that's totally unarguable, so, don't mess with him
Haw Haw HawI really don't see how the dozens of millions of Europeans who don't want a monarchy and are happy to not have one in their country now would somehow accept that laws affecting them would be signed by monarch in a federal EU.
There's no question about it. The EU, were it to become a single nation, would have to be a republic.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.Jesus Lord of the Saint Pancake, how this Federal Europe project is driftin onto marxism
Haw Haw HawFrankly, I think that most of the property of the royals should be given to that country's national bank and possibly used for something like Norway's "Oil Fund."
That's not Stalinism. It may be Marxism, though. I don't know that this is a bad thing, though.
I'd say that doing away with the monarchy should be up to the state in question, though. It would be bad for a federalized Europe to just start destroying cultural institutions like a dickwad.
"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."Well, I think the ex-nations would be 'states'.
At the basic level, there would be four levels of government;
Council —> Region —> State (ex-national assembly) —> Europarl
So, the roles of the royals in the Republic of European States is limited to that of the states. In effect, no change for the royals.
Good idea. A Council of Heads.
edited 2nd Jan '12 5:30:09 PM by Inhopelessguy

That's not actually accurate, heck
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