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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#1: Jul 1st 2011 at 5:34:56 PM

The page Brigadoon appears to refer the plot rather than the musical. At least some of the links it has appear to be referring to the musical instead. Thus this trope needs a new page. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the work, so I'll need some help with this.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#2: Jul 1st 2011 at 5:56:31 PM

Ok, first things first, the plot trope needs at the very least, a qualifier: Brigadoon Plot, A Place Like Brigadoon, something. It might be better to just go for a whole new name, but I'm coming up blank on any decent suggestions.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#3: Jul 1st 2011 at 7:20:13 PM

Since I personally am not familiar with Brigadoon, I think it's at least likely that a lot of other people won't be either, so I would keep Brigadoon out of the title if possible. Fading Town Plot? Escape The Fading Town? Escape The Town That Wasnt There Yesterday to mark it as similiar to The Little Shop That Wasn't There Yesterday? Though that's kind of longer than I'd like.

edited 1st Jul '11 7:20:50 PM by Arha

LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
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#4: Jul 2nd 2011 at 8:47:06 AM

I agree with Arha about trying to keep Brigadoon out of the title (unless it is a pre-existing term).

I made a single proposition rename crowner here by the way.

As for alternative titles, I feel like there has to be some word that means "only appears once a century or only appears once every few years" but I cannot remember what that word is.

edited 2nd Jul '11 8:50:07 AM by LouieW

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NateTheGreat Since: Jan, 2001
#5: Jul 2nd 2011 at 8:48:44 AM

I wouldn't be opposed to The Little Town That Wasnt There Yesterday if we want to play on a famous trope.

blackcat Since: Apr, 2009
#6: Jul 2nd 2011 at 9:07:45 AM

A Google search of Brigadoon brings up a plot synopsis immediately, so I'm not buying unfamiliarity as a great reason for a rename.

A review of the examples indicate that there are several works that specifically reference Brigadoon when using the device to create a plot. So naming it Brigadoon Something is not completely unintuitive.

I know that all of the splitters will splutter, but, renaming it to reference The Little Shop That Wasn't There Yesterday would make all those who lump, jump at the chance of merging the two.

edited 2nd Jul '11 9:08:23 AM by blackcat

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#7: Jul 2nd 2011 at 9:12:09 AM

The Little Town That Wasnt There Yesterday addresses the "Only there under certain circumstances" part, but it doesn't indicate the "characters are in danger of being trapped there when it disappears" part — and that's all that makes it different from simply being a LSTWTY But Moreso.

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#8: Jul 2nd 2011 at 10:29:23 AM

In a prior thread on this topic, someone suggested Brigadoomed, which I thought was amusing.

blackcat Since: Apr, 2009
#9: Jul 2nd 2011 at 10:33:57 AM

It's enough of a difference to people that the distinction was made. I do know better than to start a lumper/splitter thing although as a lumper every now and again I have to say something.

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#10: Jul 2nd 2011 at 10:39:34 AM

For the record, here's the previous rename discussion.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#12: Jul 2nd 2011 at 11:11:59 AM

Brigadoon Trap?

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
blackcat Since: Apr, 2009
Leaper Since: May, 2009
#14: Jul 2nd 2011 at 5:20:14 PM

I know Brigadoon is the best known example of this work, but I really think we should be looking harder at the fact that Brigadoon is actually Not An Example of this trope, as the description itself admits.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#15: Jul 2nd 2011 at 10:33:08 PM

Dunno why we need a single proposition crowner for this. I thought this type of thing was a reason for an automatic rename.

Escape From Brigadoon?

Brigadoomed from the first thread seems to have been the most popular option. I don't like it though.

edited 2nd Jul '11 10:37:10 PM by Arha

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Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
#17: Jul 3rd 2011 at 1:18:48 AM

But, as Leaper pointed out, Brigadoon is not an example of Brigadoon.

edited 3rd Jul '11 1:19:26 AM by Camacan

blackcat Since: Apr, 2009
#18: Jul 3rd 2011 at 6:52:11 AM

But if Brigadoon is not an example of Brigadoon what is it an example of? Because it is an example of something.

If it is absolutely necessary to the description of the trope that you can be trapped for ever then what you have done is create a trope for trapped forever and another trope for not trapped for ever.

Seriously?

edited 3rd Jul '11 6:54:31 AM by blackcat

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#19: Jul 3rd 2011 at 7:00:36 AM

The new name needs to have a qualifier of some sort. But even if the town of Brigadoon isn't an example, would Escaping Brigadoon really be that confusing? What most people think of when they hear "Brigadoon" is "Town that disappears". Escaping Brigadoon is pretty clear in that light — getting out of the town that disappears.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#20: Jul 3rd 2011 at 8:50:21 AM

Do we have the supertrope that Brigadoon is a part of? Or just this very narrow subtrope that's not as common.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#21: Jul 3rd 2011 at 9:37:16 AM

Not as far as I know. We have this subtrope, and the subtrope The Little Shop That Wasn't There Yesterday, specifically for magical disappearing businesses. But we don't have the supertrope "Locations that magically appear and disappear (at will or on a schedule)"

edited 3rd Jul '11 9:38:23 AM by Madrugada

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#22: Jul 3rd 2011 at 9:52:01 AM

In Brigadoon, if someone from Brigadoon should escape, the town will vanish for everyone forever.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#23: Jul 3rd 2011 at 10:03:35 AM

[up] Ah, this is true. Brigadoon was a trap, just only for the people in it.

Still, maybe this would be better as a supertrope. The trapped bit is a risk, but it seems kind of shoehorned into the examples. If it's in the examples at all. It doesn't seem to be a common theme in all the current examples.

edited 3rd Jul '11 10:05:52 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
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#24: Jul 3rd 2011 at 10:18:12 AM

Maybe the original story is the Unbuilt Trope version.

Leaper Since: May, 2009
#25: Jul 3rd 2011 at 4:19:13 PM

I would get behind making the trope just "town that disappears," only mentioning anyone at all (villagers or visitors) being "trapped forever" under any circumstance as variations on the theme.

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2nd Jul '11 8:43:32 AM

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