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INUH Since: Jul, 2009
#26: Aug 4th 2011 at 8:51:58 PM

Because that's definitely the only thing "Yankee" means.

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#27: Aug 4th 2011 at 8:59:44 PM

Yeah, Yankee can mean a lot of different things.

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#28: Aug 4th 2011 at 9:03:06 PM

I never seen the term "Yankee" being applied to them. Where is that term used?

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#29: Aug 4th 2011 at 9:08:30 PM

[up]It is usually translated as 'delinquents'. Also, if I understood well, Yankee is just one form of Japanese Juvenile Delinquent. This trope cover other kinds as well.

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#30: Aug 4th 2011 at 9:18:51 PM

The fact that you only seen them called Yankees in anime and manga doesn't really matter, because "Yankee" means a lot of things other than "juvenile delinquents in anime and manga". Choosing a name that we know full well will be assumed to mean something else by a huge number of the readers of the wiki is just dumb.

edited 4th Aug '11 9:20:04 PM by Madrugada

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#31: Aug 4th 2011 at 9:19:43 PM

There is Yankii (named after the fact that they sometimes wore Hawaiian shirts with a meaningful kanji on them, IE the Shirt Of Chivalry alternate costume the guys get in Persona 3) and Bancho (means gang leader) girls it's sukeban or onna bancho.

edited 4th Aug '11 9:24:10 PM by Raso

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#32: Aug 4th 2011 at 9:23:40 PM

Yankii is just Yankee written in romaji. Well, it is a viable option for the name of the trope, though. A nice replacement for Yankee. It probably should be a redirect at last.

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#33: Aug 4th 2011 at 9:27:00 PM

As long as Yankee is a redirect or mentioned then I'd go with Yankii (I mostly see it romanized as Yankee, but the other way works for me).

And to my knowledge there aren't different kinds. Furyou and Yankii describe the same thing. There is a word for a female Yankii, but they are still just yankiis. And yes, the Buncho is the leader. If you want to split delinquents you can split them into yankiis and motorcycle gangs, but motorcycle gangs are usually adults, so I don't think they even count. And then of course there's the yakuza.

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#34: Aug 4th 2011 at 10:13:12 PM

Japanese Motorcycle Gangs are something completely different from this (and completely different from American ones.)

Does Yankii only describe the Hawaiian shirt type? Or does it cover the Cheer club outfit type too?

Never really got how lost in translation the Persona 3 costume was... The guys get this tropes outfit (each with a different Kanji related to their personality) so you could role-play this trope, and the girls got Meido...

edited 4th Aug '11 10:16:50 PM by Raso

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#35: Aug 5th 2011 at 1:12:30 AM

From what I know, Yankee/Yankii aren't delinquents in general, but more a subtype, who, among other things, bleach their hair blonde.

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#36: Aug 5th 2011 at 1:26:30 AM

And how often do you see "Yankee" or "Yanquii" or whatever in properly translated works as opposed to the third-rate fan dub stuff that a tiny percentage of fans obsess over and nobody else pays any attention to?

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#37: Aug 5th 2011 at 1:50:12 AM

Its normally just called "Delinquent" like Persona 4 and such.

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#38: Aug 5th 2011 at 2:19:53 AM

[up][up]You can look up the word in Japanese, that's what it means. It's not like someone just made it up or is adding it in when it isn't there. If a manga is super-cleansed of Japanese phrases then it's usually translated as delinquent.

And while I've seen plenty of Yankees wear hawaiian shirts, I've seen plenty that don't and are still referred to the same way. Just some are more over the top than others. I don't know what you mean by Cheer outfit.

I found an extremely useful website: http://outsiderjapan.pbworks.com/w/page/22992941/Japan%27s-Unmarketable-Delinquents

Yankii = blondes + hawaiian shirts Bosozoku = motorcycle gangs, Gyaro = clown-faced girls (and guys).

Also a sukeban is the head of a girl gang, not any female delinquent.

Hm, I guess there are different kinds, sort of. Gyaros are very new, though. The only anime I can think of off hand that has one is Durarara, which has a pack of three girls who are unmistakably this. And Flunk Punk Rumble, I think has two guys who are the male version. the predominant version I see is still the traditional yankii.

edited 5th Aug '11 2:54:16 AM by NoirGrimoir

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#39: Aug 5th 2011 at 6:42:14 AM

[up][up][up]A few times, in official works of my country. With a small note explaining what it means. It vary from manga to manga, though. 'Delinquents' is just as common.

[up]I've seem gyaro in more then one source. They are more of a fashion style, however, although apparently connected to some delinquent groups.

edited 5th Aug '11 6:45:32 AM by Heatth

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#40: Aug 5th 2011 at 6:52:43 AM

I don't know what you mean by Cheer outfit.

[1] these type outfits I have seen a few Delinquents in Anime wearing them. Which is strange since (IIRC) the actual cheer club are usually connected with school spirit.

Cheer club different from cheerleading as these are usually standing at attention, yelling, using a megaphone. and are almost exclusive to males.

EDIT: oh they are called Oendan... [2] aka Cheering Squad.

edited 5th Aug '11 8:10:47 AM by Raso

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#41: Aug 5th 2011 at 7:29:57 AM

[up]Yeah, this is the most common outfits I've seem. Commonly worn open, though, with Sarashi under.

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#42: Aug 5th 2011 at 12:49:08 PM

[up][up]That's not exclusive to delinquents, I think it's mostly visual short-hand for delinquents being 'spirited' and hotblooded and what not. The head band thing in general is that, I think i've seen none delinquent wear it.

And these are the durarara gyaro girls, and they are definitely delinquents in that show: http://fujoshitsuji.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/drrr03-22.jpg?w=512&h=288

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#43: Aug 5th 2011 at 1:14:39 PM

[up]Not exclusive delinquents, sure, but it is still very common amount them.

About the gyaru, I am not disputing the fact there are are groups of delinquents gyaru. But I believe there is groups of non-delinquents gyaru as well (although I am not completely sure). If so, the distinction should be clear.

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#44: Aug 5th 2011 at 3:23:48 PM

I won't dispute that but I'm just saying those who wear those outfits are general delinquents, not a specific kind.

edited 5th Aug '11 3:24:08 PM by NoirGrimoir

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#45: Aug 5th 2011 at 3:58:06 PM

Gyaru have been around since like the 1970's, whether they were reflected in anime or not, and there are non-delinquent gyaru but the look is generally associated with delinquency. (Part of the original gyaru movement was about rebelling against yankii fashion trends - for instance shortening their skirts instead of lengthening them; there's actually a fair bit of rivalry between gyaru and female yankii subcultures, at least in some places.)

A lot of the terms people are bringing up here, including gyaru, are just different factions of delinquents, or subcultures that overlap heavily with delinquents, not real synonyms. You'll occasionally hear "delinquent" in a Japanese context used to apply to any high school kid who's not involved with an after-school club (part of the reason for the emphasis on school clubs in Japan is to prevent delinquency by giving kids something legitimate to do).

Do we have any tropers who are native Japanese speakers, or have lived in Japan? I'd really like it if we could get some people who actually know what they're talking about to consult on these issues, instead of relying on Western otaku knowledge.

edited 5th Aug '11 4:15:14 PM by dangerwaffle

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#46: Aug 15th 2011 at 3:02:13 AM

Gonna bump this thread.

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#47: Sep 13th 2011 at 9:55:02 PM

Bumping again.

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#48: Sep 13th 2011 at 10:10:39 PM

So can we call this? Someone want to YKTTW the western delienquents trope and we rename this one?

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#49: Sep 13th 2011 at 10:16:30 PM

I called it. Start a rename crowner for this one. Sandbox.Delinquents for the new trope.

edited 13th Sep '11 10:16:39 PM by shimaspawn

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