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Needs to be either retitled or expanded: Delinquents

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Shale Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Jun 30th 2011 at 12:25:05 PM

I know we had a topic about this before, but a forum search turns up nothing, and clearly it didn't effect any changes. The article has a generic name that describes a universal concept, but is written to apply solely to anime and manga. There's a consistent enough pattern of dress and behavior among the anime characters that I think this does stand up as an anime-focused subtrope, but it needs (a) a better name, and (b) a general-purpose supertrope that would own the Delinquents or Juvenile Delinquents page.

edited 30th Jun '11 12:25:39 PM by Shale

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#2: Jun 30th 2011 at 12:32:59 PM

Rename it Anime Delinquents and call it a day. Yeah, the term Delinquent is almost exclusively used to refer to this trope (its just not a very popular term otherwise), but it could just be misused too easily.

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#3: Jun 30th 2011 at 12:57:33 PM

Anime Delinquents is fine by me, but are delinquents in general tropable?

DoktorvonEurotrash Lex et Veritas from Not a place of honour (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5: Jun 30th 2011 at 3:09:56 PM

I strongly support the OP. Retitle or expand, as long as we get rid of this ridiculous notion that juvenile delinquents only appear in animé and manga.

ninjacrat Since: Jan, 2001
#6: Jun 30th 2011 at 3:13:45 PM

Nobody believes delinquents only exist in anime and manga.

Seriously, why would you even say something like that?

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#7: Jun 30th 2011 at 3:23:29 PM

The article is written in such a way that it indicates that. I agree that this needs a retitle (it's a valid subtrope), and a new supertrope.

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ninjacrat Since: Jan, 2001
#8: Jun 30th 2011 at 3:30:13 PM

It's written that way because back in the day, the wiki was strictly segregated into types: 'tv tropes', 'webcomic tropes', anime tropes', etc. It's not been updated since then.

Seriously, nobody 'believes that delinquents only exist in anime and manga.' How do you even say that unironically?

edited 30th Jun '11 3:32:13 PM by ninjacrat

joeyjojojuniorshabadoo Since: Nov, 2010
#9: Jun 30th 2011 at 3:32:52 PM

Nobody has said that anyone believes that delinquents only exist in anime and manga. Where would you get such a ridiculous notion?

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#10: Jun 30th 2011 at 4:56:20 PM

Read it, Ninjacrat. It's all about delinquents in anime and manga. All of the characteristics are anime/manga related — rolling their "r"s, bleached hair, wearing a sarashi, females wear disorder seifuku ... . The only time it even mentions Western delinquents is to make the blanket statement "They're never sympathetic characters."

ninjacrat Since: Jan, 2001
#11: Jun 30th 2011 at 5:03:14 PM

You're violently agreeing with me, I think.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#12: Jul 1st 2011 at 2:19:25 AM

We should expand it. If we want to break off Anime Delinquents because they use a lot of different symbolism on it, that's cool too.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#13: Jul 1st 2011 at 4:09:57 AM

This is one of those times where they really do have a lot of different symbolism. It makes more sense to do a trope transplant and move the current trope to a subtrope.

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DoktorvonEurotrash Lex et Veritas from Not a place of honour (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Sukeban Since: Jan, 2001
#15: Jul 1st 2011 at 4:23:32 AM

Call it The Yankii then, at least as a redirect. It's the appropriate term, after all.

AceNoctali A lil' bentô ? from France Since: Nov, 2009
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#16: Jul 1st 2011 at 6:23:58 AM

I oppose for naming the Japanese sub-trope The Yankii: there are other delinquents terms for this, like furyou (the other male kind of Delinquent) and sukeban (for female Delinquents). Better simply name it Anime Delinquents or Japanese Delinquents.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#17: Jul 1st 2011 at 8:44:29 AM

The article names about four different terms and we're basically lumping them all into one trope. Which makes sense, they're close enough to be one trope.

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RandomDude Since: Aug, 2010
#18: Aug 4th 2011 at 11:02:01 AM

Bumping this as part of the cleanup effort for the Stock Japanese Characters index. This trope clearly belongs there, but got put on the 'Uncertain' section of the sandbox page because the name was overly generic, a convenient reminder that this could use a more specific name.

I would personally prefer Japanese Delinquents as the main title because, as far as I can tell, this is an aspect of Japanese culture that shows up in anime/manga because they are made in Japan, as opposed to something like Anime Hair that is specifically widespread in only a subset of Japanese media. Wikipedia mentions several baseball players whose nicknames refence banchos, for instance. That said, I'd still be okay with Anime Delinquents, since I doubt it'll result in any misuse and is still a huge improvement over the current name.

Both Bancho and Sukeban are widespread enough to get Wikipedia entries, so they're probably worth adding as redirects as well.

edited 4th Aug '11 11:02:47 AM by RandomDude

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#19: Aug 4th 2011 at 11:09:32 AM

Support transplant. Prefer Japanese Delinquents as title.

Vote or crowner?

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Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal Since: Aug, 2009
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#21: Aug 4th 2011 at 12:01:08 PM

Support a rename.

Japanese Delinquents instead of Anime Delinquents, please. We have too many "Anime X" tropes that refer to general Japanese Media tropes as it is.

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#22: Aug 4th 2011 at 12:11:18 PM

Keeping Delinquents as the main name isn't on the table. It's actively misleading in light of how the page is written.

For that reason, I'm going to make a Page Action crowner, rather than a single prop. The options are going to be:

  • Split off the Japanese version into its own page named Japanese Delinquents
  • Split off the Japanese version into its own page Named Anime Delinquents
  • Split off the Japanese version into its own page named something else

edited 4th Aug '11 12:12:43 PM by Madrugada

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#23: Aug 4th 2011 at 12:27:16 PM

Voted down the "named something else" option for now, but if a good alternate suggestion comes along later I will change my vote.

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#24: Aug 4th 2011 at 12:31:51 PM

If that one wins we'll go the standard Alt Names route.

NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#25: Aug 4th 2011 at 8:48:44 PM

In anime and manga I almost ALWAYS see them called Yankees. To name them otherwise seems silly.

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4th Aug '11 12:11:37 PM

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What would be the best way to fix the page?

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