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shadowgirl_13_chaos OMG Shiny Pidgey! from the Nerd Cave Since: Jun, 2009
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#1: Jun 29th 2011 at 10:13:27 PM

I decided we should discuss this one, as I don't see many Dragon Ball threads.

I for one like Kai for three good reasons.

  • 1. Most of the graphic violence is gone. Now, I don't hate violence, in fact , I love it (the bloodier the better in my book!), but it helps widen the audience. Think, if it was as graphic as it originally was, many younger viewers would get to see this great series due to Moral Guardians. I know this is a major reason why most veteran fans dislike this series, but thats why you can buy the original, uncensored versions on DVD.
  • 2. The Filler is removed. This was sorta a problem in the original, as it slowed down the action and made simple arcs seem like they lasted an eternity. (ie. "Are they still on Namek?") Now, not all filler scenes were bad, per say, some I actually wish Kai kept ( Goku biting Frieza's tail, the episode were Goku and Piccolo learn to drive, ect.), but in the end, it moves the story along, and makes it more enjoyable.
  • 3. The quality of it is much better. Better translations that related more to the Manga, fixed Translation Errors, and nicer voice acting is only the beginning of what they did to make this show all the better. It got a rather nice animation bump, the quality is much more noticeable by comparison, but it's there. Also, it has decent music, even great themes, to really bring the emotion out.

So there's what I think. Now please, before you post, make sure you list the reasons why you like/dislike this show. Please, I don't want fifty Mods closing the thread down because one asshole decided to post OMG THIS SHOW SUX and started a Flame War.

edited 29th Jun '11 10:13:48 PM by shadowgirl_13_chaos

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#2: Jun 29th 2011 at 10:37:21 PM

Pros:

  • no fillers

  • slightly better quality

Cons

  • less violent...in a series based on fighting the shit out of each other.

  • I liked "CHAAAAA-LA! HEAD CHA LA!" a lot more than this series's opening. just bugs me

  • such an obvious cash-in on a popular franchise...

  • WHY THE **** IS THE ENGLISH NAME CALLED Dragon Ball Z Kai?!

  • it's not that entertaining for those who already watched it before...

  • actually it brings back memories of 12 episode fights...

  • WHY THE **** IS THE ENGLISH NAME CALLED Dragon Ball Z Kai?!

edited 29th Jun '11 10:40:19 PM by Signed

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ARC1300 from The sea Since: Oct, 2010
#3: Jun 29th 2011 at 11:26:57 PM

[up] Because it'$ brand name recognition.Both toei animation and funimation had agreed it wa$ for the better, if you catch my drift. ($$$).Really im not sure how i feel about kai as a whole, as a matter fact i feel cheated.Yes i know the real goal was to introduce a new generation to it. But did they have to half ass it? Toei being cheap as usual.

pros:

  • The English dub cast gets another whack at it, withe their newly revved up dub, excellent work i might add.The English actors for funimation are getting better and better. no that i hated them or anything, its just nice to see their progress

  • Filler was cut out.(sort of) They still kept bulma and the frog filler for some weird reason.

  • Fast paced for a good while,then headed into a slump when cell arc rolled around

cons: oh where to begin.

  • First off if your going to make a dragon ball remake, don't skip over all of part one and get straight to part 2. Kind of defeats the purpose.

  • Japanese seiyu:they honestly felt like they were bored in their performance, but can you blame them? They have messed with this stuff for years.Tons of video games, special's, movies.Id be sick of it too eventually.

  • The infamous music fiasco screwed them big time, having them switch out their entire new BGM list for the one used in dragon ball z.

  • Lets see they have had the material with them for almost a decade, and they still cant get a decent adaptation? I wasn't hoping for ova level work.Although i will admit i was hoping for something like FMA brotherhood level or at least close.They make it all the way to the cell arc and then leave it at that.

  • And to top it off, they didn't even air the final episode of kai,because of unforeseen circumstances and skipped it altogether to air Toriko, because they couldn't be bothered to reschedule at a later time or anything. (Mind you i love Toriko, but it kind of shows that they really don't care, and proves that it was just another way to cash in on the franchise like they did with GT)

Regardless i still plan to buy the dvd's/blu ray's solely for the new dub experience which has been top notch

edited 29th Jun '11 11:37:19 PM by ARC1300

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#4: Jun 30th 2011 at 1:28:58 AM

This image summarize my problem with Kai: [1]

I was actually expecting a decent quality of the so hyped "remake". Then I watched the first episode, see the kick ass opening... and got the same blurry quality of 10+ years ago. It just don't work in the current times.

It don't worth watching after all these years, really.

ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#5: Jun 30th 2011 at 7:37:54 AM

I like Kai mainly 'cause I enjoyed seeing a more true-to-the-manga presentation of DBZ and it's version of the Namek/Freeza saga is, IMHO, infinitely superior to the one in the original anime. I also LOVE the english dub (for once, Funimation's dub is flat-out better than the Japanese version!), and plagurized or not, the music in Kai was better than the music in the original Z.

The cons would be that some of the edits were either pointless or clumsy and that it never finished all the way to the Buu saga. Though seeing as how the new Freeza saga was kind of the main selling point of Kai and that they built Freeza up since the first scene of episode 1, they might as well have not adapted the Cell saga at all. Overall though, I enjoy the series and think it was nessecary to make.

Goku biting Frieza's tail

That WAS kept, it's on the DVD. It just got cut from the TV version of the episode for some reason.

•WHY THE **** IS THE ENGLISH NAME CALLED Dragon Ball Z Kai?!

'Cause it's a remake of Dragon Ball Z. The "Z" makes it specific.

I was actually expecting a decent quality of the so hyped "remake". Then I watched the first episode, see the kick ass opening... and got the same blurry quality of 10+ years ago. It just don't work in the current times.

I'm in the minority I guess, but I think the art style of the opening would look ugly in the main anime. I mean, the characters on the linked picture looked more like moving cover art than an animated adaptation of the original manga. I'm perfectly okay with the redone animation we have.

edited 30th Jun '11 7:38:45 AM by ManwiththePlan

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#6: Jun 30th 2011 at 8:22:06 AM

I'm in the minority I guess, but I think the art style of the opening would look ugly in the main anime. I mean, the characters on the linked picture looked more like moving cover art than an animated adaptation of the original manga. I'm perfectly okay with the redone animation we have.

Oh, I don't find the opening animation style particularly pretty either. Far from being my favorite style of animation. It is jsut better then the shit we were presented. There was no "redone" animation, as far I can tell. What happened is they took the old animation and bumped the quality a bit. The problem is, the quality still sucks. It worked back at the 90s, but if any anime had a similar quality today it would have bombed. The only reason Dragon Ball Kai is even vaguely passable is due to nostalgia and due to being Dragon Ball. I doubt the new anime managed to get many new viewers.

ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#7: Jun 30th 2011 at 8:39:33 AM

Whatever. The "quality" never really bothered me.

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#9: Jun 30th 2011 at 9:28:21 AM

[up]You are spelling it wrong. It is QUALITY.tongue I don't know if Kai had many QUALITY moments, actually. I could continue watching after the first few 3 or 4 episodes.

ARC1300 from The sea Since: Oct, 2010
#10: Jun 30th 2011 at 11:28:40 PM

it was clearly done for the money. everyone knows that. IMO i think it was cheaper to make this show then it did the original

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#11: Jul 1st 2011 at 12:12:36 AM

Cause it's a remake of Dragon Ball Z. The "Z" makes it specific.

You're missing the point. Dragon Ball Z was Dragon Ball Z in the original. Whereas Dragon Ball Z Kai is supposed to be Dragon Ball Kai.

As explained before, it's because of $...which speaks volume about the english speaking audience being aimed at if they need that Z in it just to watch it.

It's a small nitpick, but it's like if they remade the 2nd and 3rd The Lord Of The Rings movie into one condensed version of the two and named it "The Lord Of The Rings The Two Towers Return Of The King"

Or "The Lord Of The Rings The Return Of The Two Towers Of The King"...and they renamed it like that just because there is a segment of the audience who refuses to watch it if it doesn't have "The Two Towers" in it*

.

Hmmm...if they decided to remake Dragon Ball GT, and call it "Dragon Ball O"...I wonder would the english version be called Dragon Ball GTO?

edited 1st Jul '11 12:31:19 AM by Signed

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cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
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#12: Jul 1st 2011 at 3:29:03 AM

IMO, the name feels naked without the Z, for some reason.

MegaRock35 from The Multiverse Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Desperate
#13: Jul 1st 2011 at 7:57:46 AM

I like, mainly because I was too young to care about DBZ when it first aired in the US. It pisses me off that it ends with the Cell Arc, though. I wanna see the Majin Buu Arc.

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#14: Jul 1st 2011 at 8:08:33 AM

I was dissapointed with Kai. It did do some good things, like cut down on filler, making it more like the manga. However, I already own the manga, and the complete DBZ on dvd. T He only thing I was looking forward to was the possability of updating the animation like the openings. That's why I mostly gave up on it after awhile. Yet, despite all that, we still had Dragonball on TV again.

NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#15: Jul 1st 2011 at 9:28:05 AM

I haven't watched it religiously like with the original Toonami run (haven't seen a single episode past the fight with Recoome), but what I've seen was okay. I still prefer the Toonami run more though.

I actually liked a lot of the filler, because it was mostly more fighting or side story stuff (like the fight against the Ginyu Force on King Kai's planet) or the Garlic Jr. saga. I also liked Bruce Falconer's soundtrack more.

I don't mind that they didn't update the animation like the openings, but I'd hope that (thanks to the cutting of filler) it's at least more consistent now.

Also, I've got hardcore nostalgia for the Ocean Dub of the Saiyan and (majority of the) Namek sagas and can't really listen to any other dubs of them without it feeling "not right."

but it's like if they remade the 2nd and 3rd The Lord of the Rings movie into one condensed version of the two and named it "The Lord of the Rings The Two Towers Return of the King"

It's not like that at all. Because Dragon Ball Kai isn't a remake, it's just a re-cut. Putting Kai at the end makes no sense because it should mean it's a new series, if it even means anything. At this point, Kai should mean nothing more than "Director's Cut", so it should have Z at the end, because that's what it is, "Dragon Ball Z: Director's Cut."

edited 1st Jul '11 4:41:19 PM by NULLcHiLD27

ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#16: Jul 1st 2011 at 6:29:27 PM

Also, I've got hardcore nostalgia for the Ocean Dub of the Saiyan and (majority of the) Namek sagas and can't really listen to any other dubs of them without it feeling "not right."

Perhaps you mean Nostalgia Filter. 'Cause to me, the Ocean dub in general had a really dull soundtrack and all of the Funimation voices in the Kai dub are better than or at least just as good as the old Ocean voices with the sole exception of King Kai. Not to mention that this is the dub with "the next dimension" we're talking about here (though it's also the dub with "It's over nine-THOUSAAAAAAND!" too). Not saying the nostalgia's wrong, just putting things into perspective.

Though you're right: Kai is technically a recut rather than a remake like I had called it.

edited 1st Jul '11 6:33:34 PM by ManwiththePlan

NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#17: Jul 1st 2011 at 6:43:00 PM

[up]As I remember, Ocean Dub only had that one guitar riff, which kinda worked for it during the fight with Vegeta at least. I also thought the Ocean Dub was perfect for those first 2 sagas (ignoring the pretty terrible rewrites), I don't know why. The transition from Ocean to FU Ni just worked for me for some reason, I guess it's 'cause a lot of the characters had developed by that point or something.

colinispower Blue Moon CO from Andromeda Galaxy Since: Jun, 2011
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#18: Jul 2nd 2011 at 6:44:48 AM

Ah, Dragon Ball Z Kai. Before this came out, I haven't watched any DBZ stuff in a long time nor have I read the manga (even though my brother has them) so seeing DBZ Kai feels like a nostalgic refreshment and a good one at that.

Now with dubing, there will be edits. I'm not one to care about visual edits as long as it either make sense or if it does not impact the show, but holy crap is the editing bad in DBZ Kai... and I find this funny. What I mean by this is I will be watching the show and then see something that shouldn't exist due to the established shots. Here are a few examples:

-Vegeta shoots an energy beem at Guldo's neck. The very next screen shows a headless Guldo (it could be implied decapitation, but it's done in a very vague way).

-Krilin has a hole in the back of his armor even though Freeza's horn never went that far.

-Yamcha has a hole in the front and back of his clothes even though Dr. Gero ONLY sapped his energy.

To me, these edits do not hinder my enjoyment of the show. In fact, I find them to be hilarious.

edited 2nd Jul '11 6:45:12 AM by colinispower

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shadowgirl_13_chaos OMG Shiny Pidgey! from the Nerd Cave Since: Jun, 2009
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#19: Jul 2nd 2011 at 12:08:48 PM

[up] I agree with you to the fullest. What's the point in being mad? Have a laugh at the Narm.

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NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#20: Jul 2nd 2011 at 2:54:50 PM

Just watched the episode where they beat Raditz.

The line he says when he realizes Piccolo is charging his attack was kinda dumb and didn't make much sense in conjunction with what he was doing.

He throws his hand back in an umpire-ish "your outta here" motion and yells something like These guys can focus their power levels or something like that. I dunno, it made for better dialogue when he did that movement and then challenged Piccolo to hit him with the attack.

Also, why did they recolor Nappa and Vegeta when they were on the alien planet? I always just assumed it had something to do with that planet's atmosphere changing their colors or something.

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#21: Jul 2nd 2011 at 3:13:34 PM

[up]The alternate colors of Vegeta and Nappa was just the anime staff being the morons they usually are. It is different because the manga with their colors was not yet published, so they had to invent their own. Apparently asking the author about the color scheme of the two major antagonists never crossed their minds. Nothing more natural then fixing it in Kai.

Oh, how I hate close to publication anime adaptation.

edited 2nd Jul '11 3:14:08 PM by Heatth

shadowgirl_13_chaos OMG Shiny Pidgey! from the Nerd Cave Since: Jun, 2009
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#22: Jul 2nd 2011 at 3:49:01 PM

I just saw the first 4 episodes myself, and a thought occurred to me: Why did they keep Frieza's old VA ( Linda Young) for the first episode, instead of replacing it with Chris Ayres? Surely he could laugh for a few seconds...

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#23: Jul 2nd 2011 at 6:44:22 PM

[up] Maybe they didn't cast Ayres for the role yet, so they had to make due with the old VA.

RunoEddie Since: Sep, 2010
#24: Jul 2nd 2011 at 7:38:22 PM

[up][up][up]I actually like that color scheme for Vegeta [lol]

I never bothered to watch Kai, the new brazilian dub changed Vegeta and Piccolo's voices, so the hell with them. The old version still airs anyway.

edited 2nd Jul '11 7:39:17 PM by RunoEddie

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#25: Jul 2nd 2011 at 7:43:21 PM

1. Most of the graphic violence is gone. Now, I don't hate violence, in fact , I love it (the bloodier the better in my book!), but it helps widen the audience. Think, if it was as graphic as it originally was, many younger viewers would get to see this great series due to Moral Guardians. I know this is a major reason why most veteran fans dislike this series, but thats why you can buy the original, uncensored versions on DVD.

And this is why we'll never grow past the Moral Guardians' whims, as long as we keep on going down whenever they command 'Down!'


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