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Oreochan from Pennsylvania Since: Dec, 1969
#251: Apr 6th 2012 at 4:52:47 PM

Added three new options to reflect other points.

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
Oreochan from Pennsylvania Since: Dec, 1969
#252: Apr 15th 2012 at 11:45:40 AM

Bump for more votes.

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#253: Apr 26th 2012 at 4:33:10 AM

Calling crowner, looks like the top 3 options win.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Oreochan from Pennsylvania Since: Dec, 1969
#254: May 9th 2012 at 7:27:27 PM

I cut the real life sections off most of the Common Eye Colors tropes and added No Real Life Examples Please. Since the option to make the split off tropes not colour specific won, Are we going to go name them something like Magical Eye Colours, Innocent Eye Colours Also, are Innocent Blue Eyes, Icy Blue Eyes and the like are going to be folded into them?

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
Oreochan from Pennsylvania Since: Dec, 1969
#256: May 9th 2012 at 7:57:03 PM

[up] That works better. I could get Wise Eyes, Icy Eyes and Magical Eyes to the YKTTW if I get the time.

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#257: May 9th 2012 at 10:07:45 PM

We should probably cut or redirect Blue Eyes somewhere. It's finished being split.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Oreochan from Pennsylvania Since: Dec, 1969
#258: May 9th 2012 at 10:30:37 PM

[up]Redirecting it to Common Eye Colours? If we can't find anything else to redirect it to, I'll wouldn't mind it being cut.

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#260: May 9th 2012 at 10:43:14 PM

[up][up]That seems a good place to redirect it. Would it be reasonable to also faux redlink the phrase?

Oreochan from Pennsylvania Since: Dec, 1969
#261: May 10th 2012 at 12:51:29 PM

[up] Faux-redlinking it as well could work. Maybe we should also redirect the other eye colour tropes to Common Eye Colors once we are done splitting them or would that make the index too cluttered?

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#262: May 10th 2012 at 12:56:17 PM

I think that makes sense. Worst case we can soft split the index.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Oreochan from Pennsylvania Since: Dec, 1969
#263: May 10th 2012 at 10:54:55 PM

Soft-spliting doesn't seem like a bad idea if it comes to that. I can see the index going having a little bit more added to it.

If we're going with Wise Eyes,Sorrowful Eyes,Innocent Eyes etc. (Not that I'm against those names or anything like that, just nitpicking) Wouldn't they sound like they also include shapes and sizes (it wouldn't be bad if they did though) instead being limited to the colour?. I know we have Good Eyes, Evil Eyes but that's more about morality than personality.

Anyway, I'm thinking maybe I should make another list of potential tropes split off.

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
peccantis Since: Oct, 2010
#264: May 10th 2012 at 11:00:00 PM

Ehh... are any colours other than blue ever played for instantly recognisable innocence anyway?

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#265: May 10th 2012 at 11:08:29 PM

I think that if you turn them into just Adjective Eyes you're just going to have the exact same issues as the Colour Eyes tropes have. The intersection of the pair is actually a trope. Adjective Eyes is just "Someone with X trait happens to have eyes." That's People Sit On Chairs.

Innocent Blue Eyes on the other hand is "X trait indicates Y trait." That's a trope because it shows a relationship between two characteristics.

You need both halves, the symbol AND the meaning, to have a trope. Not just one or the other.

edited 10th May '12 11:09:48 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Oreochan from Pennsylvania Since: Dec, 1969
#266: May 10th 2012 at 11:20:09 PM

Nevermind, I remembered wrong but I agree with you. Anyway, what to do now? The second option doesn't say how it should be split...

edited 10th May '12 11:51:11 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#267: May 11th 2012 at 1:26:22 AM

[up][up] I don't see a meaningful distinction between Innocent Blue Eyes and Innocent Brown Eyes.

Anyway you could just as easily say Adjective Color Eyes is "Someone with X trait happens to have [color] eyes." Runs into the exact same problem.

The real trope is not "they have eyes + the trait", not any more than "they have [color] eyes + the trait". The trope is for when the eyes are used as a synecdoche to convey that trait—it's the idea that some meaningful part of their personality is reflected in their eyes.

edited 11th May '12 1:37:27 AM by troacctid

peccantis Since: Oct, 2010
#268: May 11th 2012 at 1:36:17 AM

[up] Except that Innocent Brown Eyes doesn't exist in the troposphere.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#270: May 11th 2012 at 6:59:59 AM

[up] But his eyes looking innocent is because of the size and shape, not the colour. The colour isn't symbolic in that case. He's using Innocent Big Round Eyes which is a sister trope, but not one that has anything to do with colour. There's no pattern of Brown Eyes symbolizing innocence. Brown symbolizes nature, earthiness, and normalcy.

edited 11th May '12 7:01:39 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
peccantis Since: Oct, 2010
#271: May 11th 2012 at 12:02:45 PM

And sometimes gentleness and sweetness.

Oreochan from Pennsylvania Since: Dec, 1969
#272: May 14th 2012 at 1:44:26 AM

Splitting by specific seems to best way to go. Do we that or do we have reopen the crowner or something?

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#273: May 15th 2012 at 1:18:59 PM

There are two main problems with identifying the eye color in the title. First, the trope is not always specific to a certain eye color. (For example, Icy Blue Eyes can also apply to grey eyes, and Occult Blue Eyes can also apply to green or purple eyes.) Second, it attracts misuse because people read it as "Innocent + Blue Eyes" and list any character that can check off both traits.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#274: May 15th 2012 at 4:21:06 PM

Actually, we couldn't find any examples of green eyes for that one and the purple stuff has an entirely different symbolism and origin for why it indicates magic. Merging the two of them would actually cause a definition that outright contradicts itself.

Maybe what we need for the titles is something like "Blue Eyes Means Innocence"

edited 15th May '12 4:22:11 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#275: May 15th 2012 at 7:25:56 PM

[up] That's not likely to solve either problem.

Anyway, off the top of my head, Danny Phantom has Occult Green Eyes, Buffy the Vampire Slayer S1E6 "The Pack" has Occult Yellow Eyes. I'm sure there are other examples...probably if the YKTTW was called Occult Blue Eyes nobody would have bothered to post any.

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10th Nov '12 2:18:40 AM

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