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nzm1536 from Poland Since: May, 2011
#26: Jun 28th 2011 at 2:32:58 AM

Finally. Maybe now it's the time we start to think of video games as a form of expression not inferior to the other ones

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#27: Jun 28th 2011 at 2:41:37 AM

I think Video games get the appropriate level of respect for art. Maybe a little more. Now we just need to correct the others.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#28: Jun 28th 2011 at 9:23:56 AM

I'm pretty sure a lot of newer artists and musicians and so forth do consider videogames a form of art. Its the old guard who doesnt, but we dont listen to those old codgers anyhow.

nzm1536 from Poland Since: May, 2011
#29: Jun 28th 2011 at 10:17:03 AM

Not to derail, but from my observations, only games the art community considers an artform are the ones without much gameplay - basically interactive modern art presentations

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Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
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#30: Jun 28th 2011 at 10:19:40 AM

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#31: Jun 28th 2011 at 10:21:40 AM

Its a shame people had to resort to invoking the national constitution to settle this. Wouldn't settling the issue on "does this cause harm or not? Lets investigate" would have been a more, well... convincing win?

I mean, I'm all for it, there's nothing correlating gaming with criminal activity, but... well, to paraphrase a certain Anime character, is this the way we wanted to win?

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nzm1536 from Poland Since: May, 2011
#32: Jun 28th 2011 at 10:22:27 AM

[up][up]Nah, I mostly mean stuff like those so called arthouse games. Even their developers (Tale of Tales etc.) often distance themselves from other developers and gamers because they don't consider them 'equal'

edited 28th Jun '11 10:23:09 AM by nzm1536

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Karmakin Moar and Moar and Moar Since: Aug, 2009
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#33: Jun 28th 2011 at 10:30:17 AM

^^There's very few people that want to go down that road.

It would lead us in a discussion of desensitization vs dehumanization and put ALL the cards on the table.

Hint. People don't live peacefully (as in not hurt others) because the sight of blood would scare them. They act violently because they dismiss the value and worth of the other. Generally speaking video games are generally very good on the latter. Probably better than other art forms, actually.

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blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#34: Jun 28th 2011 at 10:31:00 AM

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Yes. The other arguments leave too much leeway, while this one is a firm hammer saying no, you can't do this at all.

Also, the Smithsonian had a brief bit where they put some games in their hall of fame. You can argue about the Art Community, but several of those games have a plot of play value.

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If you're asking me, intervening posts can change the number order. If you're not, might want to add some arrows.

But look up the Smithsonian's videogames hall of fame.

Plenty of game play examples there.

edited 28th Jun '11 10:41:39 AM by blueharp

nzm1536 from Poland Since: May, 2011
#35: Jun 28th 2011 at 10:31:26 AM

What?

"Take your (...) hippy dream world, I'll take reality and earning my happiness with my own efforts" - Barkey
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#37: Jun 28th 2011 at 10:51:26 AM

@NZM: That'll change. especially sin ce the current generation of art students tend to be big videogame nerds.

Art tends to follow the era its born into, and all.

edited 28th Jun '11 10:56:19 AM by Midgetsnowman

nzm1536 from Poland Since: May, 2011
#38: Jun 28th 2011 at 10:56:58 AM

I hope so. It would also shut all the Jack Thompson types up as they'd become a minority

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Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
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#39: Jun 28th 2011 at 11:11:48 AM

Jack Thompson should play Winter Voices.

But yeah, granted there is a noticeable divide between 'artsy' games with shallow gameplay and games that focus on gameplay with superficial artistry. But that doesn't mean that you can't make a game that meets at a happy midway point. I can think of plenty of other examples without much difficulty.

If there's a barrier to artistry, it's that it doesn't come off as being marketable in the way big explosions and whatnot are. But that's true of any artistic medium, not just games. Look at Michael Bay movies, for the love of Gawd.

edited 28th Jun '11 11:12:38 AM by Karkadinn

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Mandemo Since: Apr, 2010
#40: Jun 28th 2011 at 12:16:01 PM

Mass Effect could be a damn well received book or movie, if you remove the interaction. Only reason why it doesn't get the same treatment as Star Wars or Lord Of The Rings is that it's a video game.

So congratulations, you are the first country to actualy put in law that game can be jsut as "artsy" as books or movies.

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#41: Jun 28th 2011 at 12:22:47 PM

[up][up] Well, explosions are beautiful...therefore, it's art.

The line between "artsy" and "trash" is blurry. One's man's trash is another one's treasure.

Wait, so does this mean theoretically, a five-year-old could buy an AO game?

Wulf Gotta trope, dood! from Louisiana Since: Jan, 2001
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#42: Jun 28th 2011 at 12:39:24 PM

[up]I suppose if someone were to actually make one*

, and find a store where they didn't ID minors buying M rated or above games, then a minor could buy it.

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#43: Jun 28th 2011 at 2:37:15 PM

@Deboss: The sad part of your link is that in two of the cases presented, common sense lost (I don't count #1 among this because of actual prosecution screwup).

edited 28th Jun '11 2:41:40 PM by Medinoc

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#44: Jun 28th 2011 at 2:47:05 PM

Well, they're supposed to determine the laws, not what makes sense. That's supposed to be congresses job.

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#45: Jun 28th 2011 at 4:32:32 PM

Wait, so does this mean theoretically, a five-year-old could buy an AO game?

Just like with movie rating systems in the US (dunno about elsewhere), the ratings are ultimately voluntary, if a business wanted to sell anyone access to R-rated movies or AO games they could, at least as far as national laws go (local ones are another issue, and vary greatly). Neither the MPAA nor ESRB ratings have any force of law behind them.

edited 28th Jun '11 4:32:59 PM by Nohbody

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Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
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#46: Jun 28th 2011 at 4:46:01 PM

Yes, Thomas's dissent was based on "I don't think free speech applies to under-18s at all", rather than thinking that games should be less protected under the US constitution.

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Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
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#47: Jun 28th 2011 at 4:46:06 PM

As expected as the ruling was, the most interesting part about it, to me, was the remarks by Thomas and Alito...

Thomas basically said(in his dissent) that minors shouldn't even have the authority to do anything without their parent's permission... While Alito countered that minors should at least be allowed to access any information without their parent/guardian's consent or knowledge.

wild mass guessI predict that the bit from Alito is going to be used in the near future for the justification of a wide variety of things...

edited 28th Jun '11 4:47:29 PM by Swish

BlackHumor Since: Jan, 2001
#48: Jun 28th 2011 at 5:06:48 PM

It's a concurrence with only two people on it, it has practically no legal weight whatsoever.

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
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#49: Jun 28th 2011 at 5:14:37 PM

Alito wrote the majority opinion....


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