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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#151: Jul 16th 2011 at 2:14:20 AM

I don't know what that is but it sounds sinister.

Who watches the watchmen?
lee4hmz 486-powered rotating frosted cherry Pop-Tart from A shipwreck in the tidal Potomac (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
486-powered rotating frosted cherry Pop-Tart
#152: Jul 16th 2011 at 4:24:51 AM

Unified Modeling Language or sommat. A workflow modeling system designed by a committee, for use by other committees. It makes Ada look like K&R. It's also about as fun to wrk with as the ECMA specification for UDF is to read.

edited 16th Jul '11 4:25:39 AM by lee4hmz

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#153: Jul 16th 2011 at 12:09:22 PM

Don't know about that, but there is real good evidence that some data-modeler in love with the fourth normal form has run amok.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
RocketDude Since: May, 2009
#154: Jul 16th 2011 at 12:42:57 PM

So, some data-modeling system is the reason why we can only have one account per IP address?

I'm a bit clueless here.

edited 16th Jul '11 12:43:12 PM by RocketDude

Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
I'm an Irene!
#155: Jul 16th 2011 at 12:58:12 PM

Actually, Rocket Dude, it's because we had a ton of spammers, so limiting to one is to prevent that from continuing. It's not perfect, but it certainly helps. Bad the spammers, the chance of getting them back is much smaller. While it does suck for different people with the same IP(like a Library), nothing is perfect.

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RocketDude Since: May, 2009
#156: Jul 16th 2011 at 1:29:52 PM

Okay, that makes sense, but looking at the article for UML on That Other Wiki makes my head hurt.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#157: Jul 16th 2011 at 8:40:36 PM

See I was right it is sinister for committees by committees.

While I highly dislike the 1 ip per account method it is for the time being effective. I still hope eddie is toying with various different methods to weeding out the trouble makers.

Who watches the watchmen?
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#158: Jul 16th 2011 at 8:54:31 PM

It's a temporary thing while we work on better anti-spammer measures.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
lee4hmz 486-powered rotating frosted cherry Pop-Tart from A shipwreck in the tidal Potomac (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#159: Jul 17th 2011 at 2:54:43 AM

Argh, higher normal forms, otherwise known as "this view joins together 20 tables for fun, good luck trying to figure it out".

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RocketDude Since: May, 2009
#160: Jul 17th 2011 at 11:05:53 AM

Yeah, I understand the anti-spam measure, but I don't see what speadsheet-level data organization, tables and modeling has to do with humans and bots making spam accounts.

edited 17th Jul '11 11:06:02 AM by RocketDude

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#161: Jul 17th 2011 at 11:08:29 AM

More than you know, but that was a digression. We do digress around here from time to time.

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ThatHuman someone from someplace Since: Jun, 2010
someone
#162: Aug 18th 2011 at 1:32:10 AM

Is this still in effect? Would it be possible to make something like, a loooong waiting period for making new accounts? Maybe six months or something.

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HiddenFacedMatt Avatars may be subject to change without notice. Since: Jul, 2011
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#163: Aug 18th 2011 at 8:43:34 AM

Bad the spammers, the chance of getting them back is much smaller. While it does suck for different people with the same IP(like a Library)
Maybe we could notify said libraries that there are people there who use such computers to spam TV Tropes? These libraries might have their own reasons to track down whoever's doing that, if only to make the computers available for those who use them for more library-relevant purposes.

I know at school I've sometimes used their library computers for non-academic purposes, (yes, including browsing TV Tropes) but I'll be a lot more hesitant to do so when most of the computers are occupied, because there will be a significant chance that someone in the library urgently needs the computer for something important, like printing off some paper they couldn't print off at home, or sending some email they realized they forgot to send. I'd know because I've been in such situations before, and when each computer is occupied I'd hate to think some people were just there to spam TV Tropes. o.o

edited 12th Sep '14 11:08:56 PM by Madrugada

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
I changed accounts.
#164: Aug 18th 2011 at 8:46:33 AM

Question: let's say I log into my account using wi-fi at some restaurant and then someone else spams/trolls there and you ban that IP address. Will my account be banned in the process, or just that IP? I know it isn't entirely related, but...

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#165: Aug 18th 2011 at 8:48:53 AM

If we were to ban by IP, you would no longer be able to access TV Tropes from that particular café or whatever. But we wouldn't ban your account just because someone else used the same IP as you.

[up][up] We're too small for most people to care, methinks. If Wikipedia approached them, maybe...

edited 18th Aug '11 8:49:32 AM by Fighteer

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HiddenFacedMatt Avatars may be subject to change without notice. Since: Jul, 2011
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#166: Aug 18th 2011 at 10:15:14 AM

[up] Again, the issue is what's being told to them, not the size of the site that happens to tell them. Using their library to be on (let alone spam) TV Tropes has reason to be a concern of theirs regardless of the site pointing it out.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#167: Aug 18th 2011 at 11:07:15 AM

They don't block Wikipedia, do they? We may be a time-waster but one could legitimately claim TV Tropes has learning value.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
BlixtySlycat |like a boss| from Driving the Rad Hazard Since: Aug, 2011
|like a boss|
#168: Aug 18th 2011 at 12:59:12 PM

Hey, relevant topic that I could not find mere minutes ago, how ya doin'?

Yeah so um. I didn't even think to ask and probably should have, is it alright if I have a separate library account (I don't think the I Ps would overlap in any way)?

I just....do not trust the computers here, after an incident where I hit the Log Out button and it didn't log me out.

go ahead and do every stupid thing you can imagine
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#169: Aug 18th 2011 at 1:08:30 PM

We don't discourage sockpuppets (see Welcome To TV Tropes) in general. We do try to keep them from getting out of hand — more than a certain number gets you flagged in our system as a potential troll/vandal. But a single alternate account for use on a public computer is fine.

If you have security concerns, get a USB key and load a secure, self-contained browser onto it. That way nothing you do is stored on the host machine.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
BlixtySlycat |like a boss| from Driving the Rad Hazard Since: Aug, 2011
|like a boss|
#170: Aug 18th 2011 at 1:10:18 PM

That sounds rather complex. .__.

But yeah, as far as I know I only have this one anymore. I did have like six before the restrictions on them were passed but I think those have all since been deleted.

I might nuke the Spain Sun account as a whole, but not now. I'd have to transfer my avatar gallery and junk first.

go ahead and do every stupid thing you can imagine
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#171: Aug 18th 2011 at 1:11:59 PM

It's actually not that complex; you can find online tutorials all over the place. I'd do it but I rarely use a public computer and so it seems like an unnecessary investment of time.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
BlixtySlycat |like a boss| from Driving the Rad Hazard Since: Aug, 2011
|like a boss|
#172: Aug 18th 2011 at 1:13:04 PM

I don't usually use them either. I'm only using this because our internet at home is going to be very spotty for the next week or so.

go ahead and do every stupid thing you can imagine
VmKid Since: Sep, 2009
#173: Aug 18th 2011 at 2:58:36 PM

If I may, you may wish to try Firefox Portable. It comes with an installer, like you'd see on any application. Just set it to install to a Flash Drive (Usually F:)

ThatHuman someone from someplace Since: Jun, 2010
someone
#174: Aug 18th 2011 at 9:57:43 PM

Would the long waiting period be helpful? Like, if somebody makes an account on one ip, no more accounts from there can be created for a few months? So, if somebody makes an account using a public computer, someone else can also do that, but much later. And spammers won't be able to create sockpuppets fast enough for them.

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VriskaSerket Thief of Light from Land of Maps & Treasure Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Thief of Light
#175: Aug 19th 2011 at 9:01:30 AM

Hey all, hoping this is OK. This is Ozbourne. Made this account on the new IP I got when I moved. Hope it's OK to have it even though I also use my main account from this IP; just wanted another Homestuck sockpuppet for innocent RP reasons.

This sockpuppet is 8rought to you 8y Oz8ourne.

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