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randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#801: Feb 17th 2021 at 6:26:38 PM

It's not that similar to Looney Tunes Show

The character designs are different

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CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#802: Feb 18th 2021 at 5:27:21 PM

[up]x5 They didn't learn from Baby Looney Tunes...

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#803: Feb 19th 2021 at 11:35:47 AM

Baby Looney Tunes was essentially just Muppet Babies with WB characters. Admittedly, the same is true for most of these "baby versions."

jessicadicicco610 Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#804: Feb 20th 2021 at 8:20:19 AM

I did not see this coming. It's something called Tom And Jerry Special Shorts.

https://mobile.twitter.com/thecartooncrave/status/1363157628516499459

Edit: Michael Ruocco said how he and the people working on Looney Tunes Cartoons made these new Tom And Jerry shorts. It's for the 80th anniversary.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AGuyWhoDraws/status/1363165345976967169

Edited by jessicadicicco610 on Feb 20th 2021 at 8:40:52 AM

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#805: Feb 21st 2021 at 3:12:04 PM

https://www.instagram.com/p/CLkBMKNDCSc/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_mid=0D8D42CC-288C-47D2-A435-948ADFE6F02E

Here's an instagram post from Alex Kirwan about "On A Roll" from Tom And Jerry Special Shorts (which doesn't have a page yet). Instead of taking place in a sushi restaurant, it was originally going to take place in a Japanese cat cafe.

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CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#807: Mar 7th 2021 at 6:37:54 PM

New York Times is getting backlash over a critique of Pepe Le Pew, and people supporting it on Twitter are trying to get Pepe cancelled: https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/pepe-le-pew-rape-culture-criticism

Edited by CookingCat on Mar 7th 2021 at 6:59:41 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#808: Mar 7th 2021 at 6:42:35 PM

Before a debate starts, what the article linked actually talks about: a writer wrote a critique an editorial about problematic classic cartoon characters earlier this week, which included Pepe, and the article covers the backdraft he got from the right wing community about it.

It does not talk about a twitter crusade to cancel Pepe. The entire article is a fluff piece about responses to that previous article, be they positive or negative.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 7th 2021 at 6:45:43 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I. Since: Aug, 2013
Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon
#810: Mar 7th 2021 at 6:58:00 PM

Most of the responses I saw on Twitter correctly pointed out that we aren't supposed to be rooting for Pepe in his cartoons. He's the butt of the joke. Thad Komorowski says it better than I can here.

And, of course, as in 2002, the Latino community expressed that, despite what supposedly sensitive people think, they actually like Speedy Gonzales. His voice actor in the new movie weighs in.

Edited by Aldo930 on Mar 7th 2021 at 7:03:01 AM

"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#811: Mar 7th 2021 at 6:59:03 PM

And Pepe also got cut from Space Jam 2 because of a scene he appeared in 2 years ago when the director changed: https://www.cbr.com/pepe-le-pew-cut-space-jam-2/. Just a heads up, this doesn't have anything to do with the article I linked before.

Edited by CookingCat on Mar 7th 2021 at 7:10:03 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#812: Mar 7th 2021 at 7:01:13 PM

Another clarification: the articles linked note that scene was cut at least a year ago, and thus does not have anything to do with the article posted this week or any responses thereof.

Thad Komorowski says it better than I can here.

I'm not sure I like that specific response to the criticism, mostly because it compares unfavorably to - say - a more modern phenomenon of sexual harassment in anime. That characters like Roshi or Happosai always get knocked around for their harassment of the female cast doesn't mean their humor is necessarily acceptable from the point of view of a culture that doesn't think sexual harassment is funny in the first place.

I'm always reminded of a stand-up Dave Chappelle did like a decade and a half ago about how he has to be careful letting his son watch Pepe.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 7th 2021 at 7:10:19 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#813: Mar 7th 2021 at 8:34:34 PM

It was found funny at some point

Doesn't mean they should keep doing it if the times lean against it

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#814: Mar 7th 2021 at 9:06:34 PM

As I said on Twitter, if Pepe's role on the film was gonna be what amounted to hamfisted moralizing about sexual harassment, it's better he not appear at all.

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
Brandon Not a cat from Meribia Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
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#815: Mar 7th 2021 at 9:08:21 PM

I'm just happy to hear that Speedy will be in the film, and apparently have dialogue. I wonder how Gabriel Iglesias' take will sound.

If I had a nickel for every film where Emma Stone falls off a balcony... I'd only have two nickels, but weird that there's two of them.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#816: Mar 7th 2021 at 9:11:06 PM

[up]Speedy was a regular on the Looney Tunes show, right? It feels like they loosened up on him once they realized Mexicans Love Speedy Gonzales.

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#817: Mar 7th 2021 at 9:22:52 PM

Yeah. Pepe was also used, though not as much. He did get an entire song to himself.

This was 2011. We've regressed a lot compared to 10 years ago.

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#818: Mar 7th 2021 at 9:23:35 PM

I really liked Wabbit's take on Pepe. They reworked him as a parody of Hollywood leading men, so he was this suave spy pastiche who was less clever than he appeared.

[up][up][up] This too. That scene read like a blatant PSA, so we're also probably well without it. If they're going to use Pepe, they ought to just rework him, and not go "You, Pepe, are a rapist! Stop being a rapist!" in bold font.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 7th 2021 at 9:24:21 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#819: Mar 7th 2021 at 9:33:57 PM

This doesn't give a lot of hope for Fifi being in the Tiny Toon Adventures reboot, either.

Psi001 Since: Oct, 2010
#820: Mar 8th 2021 at 5:24:29 AM

[up]Yeah I think the problem is chain reaction complaints, and that if one thing is considered un-PC another will be brought up to point out the hypocrisy of the speaker. People complain about Pepe and Johnny Bravo being perverts, others will retaliate with "Oh well you're fine with a cartoon girl being abusive for laughs, and they usually get away with it" and point out Fifi and the numerous domestically abusive anime characters.

Even if they don't necessarily take offence to those, they'll more than likely try to shut them up with an example they seemed perfectly okay with, though in all likeliness will just unintentionally get that boycotted too.

It's really a shame Pepe didn't try any other shtick during the original run, he could have at least had something else to fall back on.

Edited by Psi001 on Mar 8th 2021 at 1:28:58 PM

CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#821: Mar 8th 2021 at 6:05:58 AM

[up] There was Odor of the Day, but that's the only cartoon where he had a different shtick.

Edited by CookingCat on Mar 8th 2021 at 6:06:12 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#822: Mar 8th 2021 at 7:37:30 AM

I always thought the best gag with Pepi was whenever he did get the girl he'd freak out because they were even hornier than he was.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#823: Mar 8th 2021 at 8:38:45 AM

Yeah, Pepe is the kind of Don Juan figure who suddenly gets very shy or outright frightened once a girl shows interest back.

Optimism is a duty.
GlitterCat Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#824: Mar 8th 2021 at 11:08:01 AM

I still hate pepe. Just because a girl eventually reciprocates doesn't make the continued harassment where she very clearly is not okay with it palatable.

He's the one looney tune I would gladly see retired. And by extension fifi of tiny toons as well.

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randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#825: Mar 8th 2021 at 12:42:11 PM

She'd reciprocate immediately if not for the stench

That's usually the joke in some shorts

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