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Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#326: Jun 28th 2011 at 3:54:25 PM

They call it Yuri or Shoujo-ai, which means lily and Girls' Love respectively.

We are one of the rare groups who don't use Yuri as a main title for it and go for the English meaning.

edited 28th Jun '11 3:57:37 PM by Raso

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#327: Jun 28th 2011 at 3:54:43 PM

[up] Wikipedia thinks it's a genre. Mad Girls Love Song seems to be the top contender though. I'm not surprised Sylvia Plath is more popular.

edited 28th Jun '11 3:54:52 PM by shimaspawn

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#328: Jun 28th 2011 at 4:05:23 PM

Wikipedia is using it as a redirect to Yuri. That means, at minimum, one wikipedia editor thinks Girls' Love means yuri. Not very compelling evidence.

edited 28th Jun '11 4:05:47 PM by FastEddie

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#329: Jun 28th 2011 at 4:16:53 PM

It means one wikipedia editor thinks it means Yuri, and none of the thousands of other wikipedia editors disagreed. This is the same wikipedia where there's vicious edit wars fought over the origins of hummus or the nationality of The Spy.

Looking at the revision history, "Girl's love" has been a redirect since 2009, and "Girls Love" has been a redirect since 2008.

edited 28th Jun '11 4:17:42 PM by MetaFour

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#330: Jun 28th 2011 at 4:17:33 PM

I am a little confused, I think we are on two different pages here.

Your saying that yuri does not mean Girls' Love?

Top google search results

  • www.eliteyurilovers.com/
  • yurimanga.net/
  • www.shoujoai.com/forum/board_show.pl?bid=12
These may not be worksafe.

Top video results Safe for work

[1] (very funny)

[2] music video featuring various series in question.

edited 28th Jun '11 4:21:20 PM by Raso

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#331: Jun 28th 2011 at 4:38:41 PM

I'm saying that the usage that shows up on Google does not seem to indicate that calling the genre Girls' Love is all that prevalent.

If someone just wants a definition if the word yuri, they are likely ending up on wikipedia, anyway. The title of our page should indicate what it is.

Here's a compromise: Yuri Genre for the page title. Text of the article to use the absolute minimum amount of fannish jargon to describe what we are talking about.

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#332: Jun 28th 2011 at 4:44:49 PM

Here's an idea that nobody's going to like. How about, instead of adding "genre" to the end of every genre that could possibly be mistaken for not being a genre by someone who can't read the damn article before linking to something, we make a genre namespace and stick all the articles there? We are making new namespaces for everything else and since genres are apparently not tropes, we need them to go somewhere else anyway.

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#333: Jun 28th 2011 at 5:15:26 PM

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Eddie, you can't search "Girls' Love" on google and get meaningful results because its a term reliant on punctuation to make sense, and people are bad about including the proper apostrophe, and Google won't search that anyway.

So you get tons of false positives in the mode of "What do Girls Love", "Girls Love <blank>" etc etc.

And, like Raso said, most English Language fans call it "Yuri" or "Shoujo Ai", though no one objects to "Girls' Love".

But for a variety of reasons, we can't use those two, far more common off this site titles as our main article title.

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#334: Jun 28th 2011 at 5:35:44 PM

Let's just take Yuri Genre, Use C Bannana's writeup, Divide it up main element series secondary element series like The Other Wiki. Clean up wicks. Make an example less page for Yuri to describe the term, related tropes, and disambig it's use in the various mediums, and give the boss man a thank you BJ and call it a day?smile really that's all that needs to be done IMO.

edited 28th Jun '11 5:43:02 PM by Raso

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#335: Jun 28th 2011 at 5:44:43 PM

@Raso: I don't follow, though it sounds like a bad idea long-term.

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#336: Jun 28th 2011 at 5:56:57 PM

The page right now describes the Genre so that's what we should use.

The Other Wiki divides series up as

  • Primary element and marketed as such or ran in a Yuri manga
  • Sub-Genre where it's not the main focus of the show but it's a major part IE Nanoha
This would fix some of black cat's questions.

Example less disambig page for the term Yuri describing the terms usage in fanfiction, and japanese works as well as linking related tropes in case it was linked by mistake when they ment something else. Like Baka or Warm And Fuzzy Feeling.

Wick cleanup : well par for the course there.

and the BJ? Thanks for not banning the lot of us for arguing and getting heated I guess wink

edited 28th Jun '11 6:01:17 PM by Raso

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#337: Jun 28th 2011 at 6:13:09 PM

Once again, making the title a mystery that requires the article to be read before it is understood is a bad play. If the meaning is not plain, we are not helping people offsite by providing a good term for them to use in a sentence when explaining things elsewhere.

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SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
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#338: Jun 28th 2011 at 6:14:30 PM

Eddie, thats ridiculous. If there was an offsite issue with this article, it wouldn't have 2400 inbounds.

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#339: Jun 28th 2011 at 6:15:26 PM

I thought you just said we could use Yuri Genre in your last post?

Yuri, Shoujo-ai (incorrect fanspeak) and Girls' Love (less usage) are the only names for this there isn't anything else to call it unless you want literal translation of Yuri which would be lily.

My point on the disambig is that a fan fic might use Yuri to mean Fem Slash, an anime fan might be talking about the genre or they might be talking about the relationship.

edited 28th Jun '11 6:28:50 PM by Raso

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#340: Jun 28th 2011 at 6:41:52 PM

I did say Yuri Genre would work. Adding the wrod Genre takes away the mystery, amking it clrear the article is about a genre.

As I said earlier, 2400 inbounds is chump change.

edited 28th Jun '11 6:43:19 PM by FastEddie

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#341: Jun 28th 2011 at 6:44:01 PM

"Chump change" meaning...?

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#342: Jun 28th 2011 at 6:47:15 PM

I like Kill's idea about the genre namespace.

But I'm also confused as to how over two thousand inbounds is "chump change." I've been hearing elsewhere that two hundred is very good.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#343: Jun 28th 2011 at 6:48:27 PM

A small amount. Taken from an amount of money only of importance to the very poor, as in change from a quarter-dollar.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#344: Jun 28th 2011 at 6:50:00 PM

No, 200 is not good. I'll run the analysis report again to make sure, but I'm pretty sure it will be somewhere in the bottom 25%.

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SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
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#345: Jun 28th 2011 at 6:52:56 PM

Almost any other time, having inbounds in the thousands, hundreds of wicks, and no indication of misuse would be an automatic veto of a name change.

So why are we still considering this?

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#346: Jun 28th 2011 at 6:54:07 PM

For a Genre like this its really good. Iirc Boys' Love had like 500 or something and Queer Romance had like 10.

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SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
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#347: Jun 28th 2011 at 6:56:22 PM

Yeah, Boys' Love is in the same ballpark in terms of wicks, but is at less than a quarter of the inbounds.

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#348: Jun 28th 2011 at 6:57:25 PM

If the names were right, they would have more. That is why we are still discussing this.

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SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
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#349: Jun 28th 2011 at 6:58:36 PM

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[citation needed]

Definitely going to have to back that one up more Eddie.

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#350: Jun 28th 2011 at 7:10:48 PM

Genre pages get tons of inbounds? I just looked at a few on the index and none had over 500. I would expect to find people visiting works pages first then visiting the genre index for more examples like that.

Not possible to see intrawiki inbounds is it? Or Search Engine inbounds?

edited 28th Jun '11 7:13:40 PM by Raso

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