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So what happened to the Ted Baxter examples?: Small Name Big Ego

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nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#1: Jun 12th 2011 at 7:19:41 PM

Okay really, why did we delete all the examples? This is a perfectly valid trope that is not attracting any natter or complaining, it just has the name of a trope that used to do that.

JackAlsworth Since: Jul, 2009
#2: Jun 12th 2011 at 7:45:54 PM

If I remember correctly, Small Name, Big Ego got example-blocked because it was primarily a real person trope, which made it Flame Bait. Ted Baxter didn't have that problem (that I'm aware of), so it seems reasonable to simply remove the Real Life Ted Baxter examples and still have it open for regular, fictional examples.

I'm pretty sure I'm either repeating myself, the OP, or someone in the old thread, but that's still my opinion.

nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#3: Jun 12th 2011 at 7:49:08 PM

And the only problem with Ted Baxter was the name, but now that is fixed.

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Jun 12th 2011 at 8:14:59 PM

This deletion has been merely the latest case of Executive Meddling on this wiki, setting wrong what this forum at least tried to do right. As Eternal September wrote, someone seems to be "allowing his own arbitrary tastes and preferences to dominate over the common opinion, and even the guidelines that he sets."

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#5: Jun 12th 2011 at 8:20:04 PM

No, it was not. Take it easy and do your research, dude. That was absolutely not the case here. There were a discussion for starters. More important, it was not Fast Eddie who made the change.

As I can infer, it was just a case of someone implementing poorly what was decided in the discussion. The merge under Small Name, Big Ego was agreed, but so was keeping the Ted Baxter examples. Someone skipped the latter part by just making a redirect in Ted Baxter.

Fixed. I did not readded the Real Life examples, though.

edited 12th Jun '11 8:26:47 PM by Heatth

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#6: Jun 12th 2011 at 8:24:17 PM

[up]Not so easy. I did do the research, and there was another thread that led to the deletion of the examples. Note who last posted there before it was locked, and then witness the recent page history of Small Name, Big Ego.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#7: Jun 12th 2011 at 8:26:06 PM

Oh, you are right. I sincerely apologize.

SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#8: Jun 12th 2011 at 8:27:28 PM

EDIT—Nevermind.

edited 12th Jun '11 8:27:53 PM by SeanMurrayI

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#9: Jun 12th 2011 at 8:52:26 PM

What's going to keep this from collecting a bunch of hate mail about characters people don't like? That is why we took the examples off the article with this name, before. It is the name that causes the problem. Which is why the Ted Baxter article didn't have the issue.

The best move is to pick a name for this that doesn't invite bile, and redirect from Small Name, Big Ego to it.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#10: Jun 12th 2011 at 8:56:12 PM

Small Name, Big Ego's original description was specifically geared towards complaining about people. I'm not seeing how we can just blame that kind of use of Small Name, Big Ego on the name with what the page content originally told people.

edited 12th Jun '11 8:56:43 PM by SeanMurrayI

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#11: Jun 12th 2011 at 9:00:55 PM

Oh, whatever. Put the non-rl examples back on. We'll just fix it again when it goes south again.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#12: Jun 12th 2011 at 11:45:00 PM

Yes, these characters are a perfectly legitimate trope. If people use it for bashing (the easiest way to tell is through abrupt tone shift from lulzy to raw hatred), we can cut the example and possibly ban the person who won't learn that hating a character does not make mean they get to bash.

Fight smart, not fair.
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#13: Jun 13th 2011 at 12:26:49 AM

If it's clear in the show that everyone thinks this character is talentless, but a big jerk, it's a clear example.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
TURN OFF THAT LIGHT!
#14: Jun 13th 2011 at 2:30:59 AM

Removing the real life examples left scattered throughout the wiki should be the bigger priority if you ask me.

Regulated fun - the best kind! I don't make the rules, just enforce them with an iron fist.
Spark9 Since: Nov, 2010
#15: Jun 13th 2011 at 4:23:40 AM

I don't see the problem with fictional examples, really. There are several tropes that boil down to "this character is a Jerkass" that are valid tropes and that could also be used to complain about characters people don't like. I don't see how this one is any different from those.

Real life examples are another matter, of course, and I'm happy to see those cut (even if I found some of them rather funny).

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