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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#7926: Jul 6th 2013 at 9:05:58 PM

So other than preventing the import of games, what's bad about reigon lock?

Maybe it isn't bad for me seeing as America doesn't hit horrible levels of No Export for You, though.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#7927: Jul 6th 2013 at 9:09:25 PM

[up] It prevents an economy from ever crashing, so it's not bad at all.

I do agree that they need to step up the translate rate, as well make sure everybody can play online with eachother, no exceptions due to different regions. That's the biggest crap that gets pulled.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#7928: Jul 7th 2013 at 1:40:51 AM

[up]I'm pretty sure that having no region lock is never gonna cause the economy to collapse on itself.

I stopped reading when he said he agreed with Pachter.

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!! [lol]

edited 7th Jul '13 1:41:34 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
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#7929: Jul 7th 2013 at 1:53:59 AM

On everything? It will. Because too many imports kills the economy itself. If not enough people buy from their own area, the money doesn't go around there like it needs to to keep the economy up. This is the actual issue with importation and why it's actually frowned upon in general by many Companies.

Not to say that some places don't clearly overcharge, but that's due to the different amounts paid to the employees. However, yeah, it's still not equal enough, if you will, on the paid VS the prices. It does need to clearly improve. But importing is not the answer to that nor does it help.

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Recon5 Avvie-free for life! from Southeast Asia Since: Jan, 2001
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#7930: Jul 7th 2013 at 1:57:35 AM

In the end it comes down to whether gamers in other regions getting the games they want to play is more essential than limiting the loss of money (by a company or by a country) that gamers cause when they try to save by buying in a cheaper region and importing.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#7931: Jul 7th 2013 at 2:27:59 AM

[up][up]It's frowned upon in general by companie$ because they breathe money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#7932: Jul 7th 2013 at 2:29:48 AM

Yeah, it totally has nothing to do with Companies being unable to pay its employees if you don't buy from the actual store. It's pretty much an economy issue and some bit of corruption. But the corruption bit is far lower than people actually think.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#7933: Jul 7th 2013 at 2:47:04 AM

too many imports kills the economy itself

Not that I have much an opinion on that myself, but the overwhelming opinion among economists is that "import=bad" is an incredibly naive idea. So you may want to be a bit less certain in your opinion there.

Also, I highly doubt region-locking consoles prevents the economy from crashing. They simply aren't that important to the economy. Even if making consoles region-free did somehow have devastating effects on their sales (which I also doubt), it would just be those consoles affected.

edited 7th Jul '13 2:58:34 AM by CassidyTheDevil

NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#7934: Jul 7th 2013 at 7:05:48 AM

Although Irene does have a point in that importing things doesn't put food on the table for others. If the importing isn't that frequent then I doubt it'd be an issue, though.

I can't see how importing things that aren't sold in your country would damage the economy, though. It's not like someone's losing money if you do that.

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#7935: Jul 7th 2013 at 7:10:10 AM

Perhaps region-locking could be done away with, but the practice of following region-locked purchases could be encouraged (you get 10 coins on your Club Nintendo account for every game you purchase within your designated region).

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MusikMaestro from Ireland Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Heisenberg unreliable
#7936: Jul 7th 2013 at 7:35:02 AM

Not very many people actually have one of those though. Hell, some people on this thread don't have one.

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#7937: Jul 7th 2013 at 7:48:02 AM

I doubt region locking is there to prevent economy crashes, but I do think it helps keep revenue in places where it needs to go. For example, let's say Captain Rainbow was going to have a worldwide release, but Japan gets it first and everyone else has to wait a month. Now, assuming region locking isn't there, people can import the Japanese version of the game and simply not bother buying their localized version when it comes out, which can cause not just loss of profit for the Nintendo branches in the affected regions, but it may also mean that whoever Nintendo hired to do the localizations or physical changes to the game would probably get less money or even get laid off since no one wants to get the localized version.

Just a theory.

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#7938: Jul 7th 2013 at 7:55:51 AM

[up]The moral of this story is patience.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#7939: Jul 7th 2013 at 8:17:20 AM

[up][up]True, but you are assuming that there are a lot of people who will play a game with a lot of text they can't read, in a game with a lot of text.

It would be awesome if Reggie presented Pachter's severed head at the next Nintendo announcement. That would win him fans for sure.

So would this.

edited 7th Jul '13 8:18:32 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
MusikMaestro from Ireland Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Heisenberg unreliable
#7940: Jul 7th 2013 at 8:19:53 AM

[up][up][up] But why?

I never understood people who imported Japanese games so they could play it a few months early. Surely the wait is worth being able to understand it.

edited 7th Jul '13 8:20:44 AM by MusikMaestro

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#7941: Jul 7th 2013 at 8:21:28 AM

[up]I know, right? I'd like to be able to actually read whatever text shows up.

edited 7th Jul '13 8:21:35 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
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#7942: Jul 7th 2013 at 8:21:51 AM

You forget how quick the internet is. People can easily get the text translated. Barring that, other people go old school and just learn on the fly on how the game works.

Then there are the people that will insist that the Japanese version has better writing and script than the translated versions.

edited 7th Jul '13 8:22:30 AM by Steven

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MusikMaestro from Ireland Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Heisenberg unreliable
#7943: Jul 7th 2013 at 8:24:55 AM

[up] Yeah, but that's worth nothing if you don't understand it.

And translating Japanese off the Internet is incredibly hard when you're watching an FMV.

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#7944: Jul 7th 2013 at 8:26:00 AM

Barring that, other people go old school and just learn on the fly on how the game works.

I wasn't talking about them figuring out how to play. I'm talking about how a lot of the game's humour and charm wouldn't be understood if they didn't know how to read it in Japanese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
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#7945: Jul 7th 2013 at 8:28:43 AM

I was just adding examples.

And adding to your post just now, that's the reason why we have localizations; not just to understand the text, but to have the concepts be made in a way we can understand. Many jokes and references made in the Japanese script would be lost on everyone else.

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MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#7946: Jul 7th 2013 at 8:32:36 AM

Then there are the people that will insist that the Japanese version has better writing and script than the translated versions.

Like how people always insist that the book is always better than the movie?...

And adding to your post just now, that's the reason why we have localizations; not just to understand the text, but to have the concepts be made in a way we can understand. Many jokes and references made in the Japanese script would be lost on everyone else.

I don't think I ever questioned this? I was saying that's why it's better for those who can't read Japanese to not import.

edited 7th Jul '13 8:34:30 AM by MagcargoMan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#7947: Jul 7th 2013 at 8:34:06 AM

I import games from Europe occasionally, but it's the ones that won't get released here, like the PSP versions of Tales of Eternia and Breath of Fire 3, or Disaster Day of Crisis. I say that avoiding region lock in that case is a good idea because it doesn't hurt the local companies at all, but it helps the ones you're importing from.

[up] In Japan, Final Fantasy VI is considered to have a really boring script.

edited 7th Jul '13 8:34:50 AM by Zendervai

MusikMaestro from Ireland Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Heisenberg unreliable
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#7949: Jul 7th 2013 at 8:40:27 AM

In general, the book is always better than the movie, because the book has room for more details and nuance. Not to say movies can't do details and nuance, they just can't do as much because they're a visual medium that need to be consumed in approximately two hours, whereas books are printed words that can take several times longer than that.

Also, from a psychological perspective, when you read a book, you're imagining the events unfolding, so what you're getting is your ideal version of the story. A movie can never be exactly like your ideal version, so odds are good that you're going to be disappointed by something. Even if you like the movie, there are things you would change about it.

It's not a universal truth, since there are some pretty good movies based on some really shitty books, but it more or less holds.

MagcargoMan Hooray! Bubble Party! Since: Oct, 2010
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#7950: Jul 7th 2013 at 8:46:38 AM

[up][up][up]I never said teh Japanese version was always superior. Heck, I never even talked about superiority.

In general, the book is always better than the movie, because the book has room for more details and nuance.

More stuff =/= always better

Plus that is subjective

Even if you like the movie, there are things you would change about it.

You realize that could be said for any piece in any form of media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8yAjWvAqyM

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