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gingerninja666 SCH-NEIGH-ZEL from Aboard The Damocles Since: Aug, 2009
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#1: Jun 5th 2011 at 6:30:06 PM

I didn't think he was. I preferred L but I guess I just hated Light more cuz I was still rootin' for Near until the very end. In fact I never understood why people hated him outside of him not being L. There's probably more to it. That's why I'm asking:

Was Nate River a Scrappy? and if so, Why?

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#2: Jun 5th 2011 at 7:19:21 PM

I found him kind of annoying, but I didn't hate him. I just wish Mello had been the main detective as a solo act after L died; I think such a drastic change would have been more interesting than what we got. Did we really need another cool-headed smart person?

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Jordan Azor Ahai from Westeros Since: Jan, 2001
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#3: Jun 5th 2011 at 7:20:08 PM

I'd say yes. I never really liked Light/really wanted Light to get his comeuppance and Near was so insufferable that it made me root for Light a bit.

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gingerninja666 SCH-NEIGH-ZEL from Aboard The Damocles Since: Aug, 2009
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#4: Jun 5th 2011 at 7:23:16 PM

Why was he insufferable? He was fully aware that he was inferior to L

edited 5th Jun '11 7:23:34 PM by gingerninja666

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ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#5: Jun 5th 2011 at 7:27:12 PM

I always found Near a Replacement Scrappy for L but not a Scrappy of any other kind. It took him awhile to find his own identity but he was a pretty worthy successor to L in the end.

What I never got was why so many people liked Mello better, seeing as he was much more unlikeable and downright villainous too.

Near was so insufferable that it made me root for Light a bit.

No. After he killed L and proceeded to act like a Complete Monster, NOTHING could make me root for Light.

edited 5th Jun '11 7:29:56 PM by ManwiththePlan

gingerninja666 SCH-NEIGH-ZEL from Aboard The Damocles Since: Aug, 2009
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#6: Jun 5th 2011 at 7:37:24 PM

Forget Mello, what's the deal with Matt? Whyis he so loved?

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#7: Jun 5th 2011 at 7:38:22 PM

^^ After?

edited 5th Jun '11 7:38:47 PM by Spirit

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gingerninja666 SCH-NEIGH-ZEL from Aboard The Damocles Since: Aug, 2009
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#8: Jun 5th 2011 at 7:44:13 PM

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Light was always a Monster I agree, but I can kind of see why people might've sided with him in the very beginning. It wasn't until he did......that to Naomi that I knew there was no redeeming him

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SirIlpalazzo Since: May, 2009
#9: Jun 5th 2011 at 7:47:12 PM

I think he passed that when he started killing FBI agents.

Thenamelesssamurai from Atlanta, Georgia Since: Nov, 2010
#10: Jun 5th 2011 at 7:49:59 PM

Never thought Near deserved Scrappy status, but I never really cared for him either. I'm ambivalent.

And since we've gotten into moral condemnations of Light, I'm just gonna say: In before inevitable morality of Death Note Derail.

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gingerninja666 SCH-NEIGH-ZEL from Aboard The Damocles Since: Aug, 2009
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#11: Jun 5th 2011 at 7:53:41 PM

Or when he tried to kill a detective in cold blood on live TV just because said detective had the gall to call mass murder EVIL.

Hey I agree with you. It's just that what he did to Naomi was so catastrophically and pointlessly evil, I consider that his worst moment

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gingerninja666 SCH-NEIGH-ZEL from Aboard The Damocles Since: Aug, 2009
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#12: Jun 5th 2011 at 7:55:32 PM

and Mr Samurai you're right, this is about Near not Light. I'll save that for another thread.

Well I've done all I can do waii

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Thenamelesssamurai from Atlanta, Georgia Since: Nov, 2010
#13: Jun 5th 2011 at 8:05:21 PM

I was speaking more of the forums tendency to get into that debate in everything related to Death note I've seen since I've been here and some topics only incidentally related more than anything you said.

And no need to call me Mr. Makes me feel old.

edited 5th Jun '11 8:05:37 PM by Thenamelesssamurai

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#14: Jun 5th 2011 at 8:06:28 PM

What I never got was why so many people liked Mello better, seeing as he was much more unlikeable and downright villainous too.

... he blew up a building while he was still inside it. After all the cautious crap throughout season one it was nice to see someone cut loose.

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elemcee Since: Dec, 2009
#15: Jun 5th 2011 at 9:31:38 PM

Add me to those who prefer Mello to Near. I love how lively he is. Near, I actually don't mind, either, although he's nowhere near as loveable as L. I understand how L fans feel that he stole his fire, but at that point someone had to do it. Although, like Furiko, I'd rather have seen Mello do it. And interact with Light, personally, because that would have been pretty interesting.

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#16: Jun 5th 2011 at 9:38:18 PM

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Impressive true, but he also kidnapped a teenage girl and traumatized her to the point that she was catatonic.

Worse than anything Light did. That is a discussion for another time, but there are good reasons to dislike Mello. Also, as the ending proved, (and as L probably wanted in the first place) if Mello hadn't been such a Primadonna about working with Near, they could have kicked Light's ass in half a day, without anyone dying.

As for Near as a Scrappy, hard to say. I can't really remember how I felt about him, since I knew how Death Note was going to end when I watched the anime.

edited 5th Jun '11 9:38:30 PM by HandsomeRob

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#17: Jun 5th 2011 at 9:52:50 PM

Oh, like L wasn't a complete bastard too!

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#18: Jun 5th 2011 at 11:38:13 PM

Bastard yes. Complete bastard...not so much.

edited 5th Jun '11 11:38:25 PM by Spirit

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#19: Jun 5th 2011 at 11:54:31 PM

Near seems to be very much a love him or hate him character. There's not a lot of middle ground.

And personally, I am not a fan - I liked both Light and Mello more. Not because they were any morally better (because they weren't), but simply because I found them more interesting.

Mello especially was a lot of fun to watch, in spite of the morally horrible things he did, just because his Unfettered status. It was so refreshing after all the I Know You Know I Know mind games to see someone just go right to the blowing shit up strategy.

...I also like explosions.

Near just bored me. More stuff like that Money out the building tactic might have won me over.

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elemcee Since: Dec, 2009
#20: Jun 6th 2011 at 12:25:39 AM

Thing is, I liked Near's taking Light down, but I much preferred Mello as a character.

And L has some moments of bastard. I still love him, anyway.

hishighnessofheretics Since: Mar, 2011
#21: Jun 6th 2011 at 12:45:38 AM

Near has his share of fans and haters. I mildly disliked him. It was largely because I found his characterization to be a bit forced. "Since we already had one quirky detective, let's see how we can make another one. Let's give him much of the same basic personality as the other one but instead have him play with toys rather than eat sweets." Not very original. He wasn't very likable either. Also, I find it hard to take someone who is constantly playing with toys seriously.

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#22: Jun 6th 2011 at 12:47:06 AM

someone who is constantly playing with toys seriously.
What about the Joker?

edited 6th Jun '11 12:47:32 AM by Signed

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elemcee Since: Dec, 2009
#23: Jun 6th 2011 at 2:10:22 AM

^^Yeah, but that's kind of the point with both L and Near. It's just that being weird and not-at-all-professional-seeming was L's schtick, and he did it better. I like Near but not as much as I'd like to. I think it would have been better if they'd given his insecurities about not being L more emphasis.

edited 6th Jun '11 2:10:41 AM by elemcee

hishighnessofheretics Since: Mar, 2011
#24: Jun 6th 2011 at 6:11:24 AM

[up][up] While I enjoyed the Heath Ledger portrayal of the Joker, I didn't like the Jack Nickolson version at all. THAT was the version that played with the toys. He just was too cartoony and gimicky. Evil as he was, I could not find it in me to really respect him as a character.

[up] I agree. L did the whole oddball detective thing better than Near. I also didn't like the way he started saying in the end that him and Mello surpassed L by taking down Kira. I don't think they would have even been able to do it if it wasn't for all the work L had already done.

edited 6th Jun '11 6:14:18 AM by hishighnessofheretics

ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#25: Jun 6th 2011 at 3:10:12 PM

Impressive true, but he also kidnapped a teenage girl and traumatized her to the point that she was catatonic. Worse than anything Light did. That is a discussion for another time, but there are good reasons to dislike Mello.

Exactly. I can get why people like Mello for being an entertaining character but that doesn't make him any better a person than Near nor does it make him worthy of catching Kira. I mean, his actions not only traumatized poor Sayu but directly led to Souichiro's death too.

Also, as the ending proved, (and as L probably wanted in the first place) if Mello hadn't been such a Primadonna about working with Near, they could have kicked Light's ass in half a day, without anyone dying.

Yes, when put in that perspective, we have Mello to thank for stretching ths story out longer than it probably should've been.

While I enjoyed the Heath Ledger portrayal of the Joker, I didn't like the Jack Nickolson version at all. THAT was the version that played with the toys. He just was too cartoony and gimicky. Evil as he was, I could not find it in me to really respect him as a character.

Uh, but that's the way the Joker usually is in the comics and many other adaptations. He's all about eccentricity and humor, being "cartoony and gimicky" is his schtick. Heath Ledger's Joker isn't the only way that he's supposed to be portrayed. Some even argue that it's not even accurate.

I agree. L did the whole oddball detective thing better than Near.

I agree but Near's actually quite a bit more different than L than some people think. The whole spin on his character is supposed to be "manchild who plays with toys" but he's also alot MORE antisocial than L was. At least L had Watari, Near's just kind of a little creep who doesn't talking to people who are beneath his intelligence. The whole toy thing can even be seen as metaphorical about how he views and uses people.

I also didn't like the way he started saying in the end that him and Mello surpassed L by taking down Kira. I don't think they would have even been able to do it if it wasn't for all the work L had already done.

But the point was, L still died having failed to catch Kira even though he had the right suspect. By acting (inadvertedly) together, Mello and Near were able to fulfill L's mission and defeat Light.

edited 6th Jun '11 8:47:38 PM by ManwiththePlan

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