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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#1: Jun 3rd 2011 at 11:59:40 AM

Also, since when does liking Holmes stories since 2000 makes you an "old school" fan? The books are over 120 years old!

melloncollie Since: Feb, 2012
#2: Jun 3rd 2011 at 12:06:06 PM

[This is a metafic entry for the metafic the theory of narrative causality Please see the metajournals.]

...?

captainbrass2 from the United Kingdom Since: Mar, 2011
#3: Jun 3rd 2011 at 1:15:43 PM

The page appears to be applying tropes to an artist (I suppose) rather than their art. Surely that isn't what we're supposed to be doing? I think it might need cutting.

If "old school" Sherlock Holmes fans are those brought up on the Granada series, they must be about my age. Hearing I'm old enough to be "old school" anything is...distressing. I'll be off to collect my pension...

"Well, it's a lifestyle"
Micah from traveling the post-doc circuit Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#4: Jun 3rd 2011 at 1:16:24 PM

This is a work page (for a bunch of fanfic) disguised as a creator page. So it's not actually applying tropes to an artist, it's applying them to a character.

edited 3rd Jun '11 1:17:39 PM by Micah

132 is the rudest number.
arromdee Since: Jan, 2001
#5: Jun 3rd 2011 at 1:24:53 PM

I can't tell what this page is about. Is it for a real person involved in fiction? Or is it about a fictional person? (I'm sorry, I don't know what a metafic is.) And is this actual negativity or is it a bunch of in-jokes?

If it's a fictional person I'm fairly sure it wouldn't qualify for a character page.

If it's a real person, and if all this stuff is meant seriously (something which is impossible to tell) it looks completely out of line. I personally think that claims of negativity can be overblown, but this one isn't overblown; we have no place for attacks on someone's personal life. Describing someone as a douchebag and claiming he's Ambiguously Gay should stay off of TV Tropes.

JackAlsworth Since: Jul, 2009
#6: Jun 3rd 2011 at 1:30:17 PM

I think by "metafiction" it means the page is being used in an actual story. Why I don't know, but as far as I can tell, consulting_detective isn't a real person. Whether we allow metafic pages or not is another question entirely, but I imagine that would be up to Eddie or the mods.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
Shale Since: Jan, 2001
#8: Jun 3rd 2011 at 2:49:47 PM

This makes my head hurt worse than the original unedited version of SCP Foundation did.

edited 3rd Jun '11 2:49:59 PM by Shale

veerserif Since: Apr, 2009
#9: Jun 4th 2011 at 12:01:07 AM

Er. This page was made as part of a rather epic metafic, or a fanfic written as if it were happening in real life. It's for the new BBC version of Sherlock, and as part of the story (which includes several sockpuppet LJ accounts, pages and pages of story written in LJ's format so that it looks as if it could have happened) a tvtropes page was created.

captainbrass2 from the United Kingdom Since: Mar, 2011
#10: Jun 4th 2011 at 1:03:34 AM

Well, if it's about a published fanwork, fine, but it probably needs to explain this more clearly rather than getting all postmodern on us. We're just Simple Country Nerds here.

"Well, it's a lifestyle"
DoktorvonEurotrash Lex et Veritas from Not a place of honour (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#11: Jun 4th 2011 at 1:13:57 AM

[up]This. A page should not have the readers wondering "OK, is this about a work or a creator or what?"

edited 4th Jun '11 1:14:11 AM by DoktorvonEurotrash

arromdee Since: Jan, 2001
#12: Jun 4th 2011 at 8:17:45 AM

Er. This page was made as part of a rather epic metafic, or a fanfic written as if it were happening in real life. It's for the new BBC version of Sherlock,

Tvtropes has pages about fanfics, but tvtropes isn't for posting fanfics. If this page is part of a fanfic it's hard to see how we should have it at all, unless we decide to make it Just for Fun or something similar that doesn't look like it's an ordinary page.

veerserif Since: Apr, 2009
#13: Jun 5th 2011 at 3:39:02 AM

Would it be better if a section was added underneath for tropes applicable to the fanfic itself? That way the delicious meta-ness can be preserved, but it can also be a legitimate tropes page.

DoktorvonEurotrash Lex et Veritas from Not a place of honour (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#14: Jun 5th 2011 at 3:49:17 AM

[up]I don't see why we need any meta tropes at all. I come to this wiki to read about tropes and works, not a bunch of injokes.

suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
#15: Jun 5th 2011 at 6:40:29 AM

[up]Yeah, I tend to agree. There are other places for that sort of thing — like, every other part of the Internet.

Seriously, it can be really hard to find straight answers about stuff like this. To the extent we talk about these meta-thingies here (and they are valid and interesting sources of tropes), TV Tropes should be clear on the "reality" of them, not "playing along with the gag."

Jet-a-Reeno!
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#16: Jun 5th 2011 at 12:27:48 PM

[up]Yes. This is why I used to hate the old Memetic Mutation page so much - insane amount of memes, no explanation whatsoever for most of them. Inside jokes are only funny if you're on the "inside".

I say cut it.

Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#17: Jun 5th 2011 at 5:46:55 PM

One more voice against being a part of the in-joke. This just isn't the place for it.

Specialist290 Since: Jan, 2001
#18: Jun 5th 2011 at 6:24:03 PM

Cut with extreme prejudice. If they want a page on TV Tropes, they should make it clear that they're talking about a fictional work, just like with the various Slenderman Mythos blog-stories.

edited 5th Jun '11 6:27:52 PM by Specialist290

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#19: Jun 5th 2011 at 8:10:47 PM

Cutlisted it with link to this discussion. Will prolly not get cut.

JackAlsworth Since: Jul, 2009
#20: Jun 5th 2011 at 10:22:42 PM

...Holy shit.

This title has brought 216 people to the wiki

The page has existed for four days.

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#21: Jun 5th 2011 at 10:30:53 PM

If it's been involved in an off-site thingy, that means it'll share views with whatever else is using it.

But ultimately, TV Tropes is for documenting works of fiction, not for hosting them.

Making it into a redirect for a contributor page would be a good workaround.

edited 5th Jun '11 10:32:44 PM by troacctid

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#22: Jun 5th 2011 at 10:37:48 PM

Other reference to to it here: FanficRecs.Sherlock

Said reference points to a livejournal which itself links to another person's livejournal here http://cons-detective.livejournal.com/

Seriously, I don't know.

[up] Except it's not a contributor. And Tropers namespace stuff aint supposed to have main namespace redirects.

EDIT: Actually here:

Comments: Possibly the best-written piece of metafic this troper's yet seen. Reading almost like a love letter to fandom, jumperfucker and consulting_detective are fully fledged characters in their own right. Almost every character is included - Mrs. Hudson running the kinkmeme! - and the entire piece is impeccably written. It's even formatted appropriately. On a final note, the author made a meta tvtropes article. Yep.

Yup, someone's using us to host their works. Cut it and burn it. All the inbounds are because the fanfic links to us

edited 5th Jun '11 10:43:07 PM by Ghilz

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#23: Jun 5th 2011 at 10:57:15 PM

Yep. Cut it. We aren't a hosting service. The server bill is high enough without hosting someone's fic. They can make a proper works page or go without a page here.

edited 5th Jun '11 10:57:46 PM by Madrugada

JackAlsworth Since: Jul, 2009
#24: Jun 5th 2011 at 11:29:46 PM

[up][up][up] That's pretty much how I felt. And if the inbounds aren't what I thought they were, then yeah, it either needs a MAJOR rewrite or a cut.

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#25: Jun 6th 2011 at 6:36:21 AM

I thought Consulting Detective was a page about...detectives who consult and was wondering why in the hell somebody had filled that page with negativity. This has impinged upon my tvtropes reading experience.

Actually: can I make a page on consulting detectives? The private detective, who, rather than working for private clients will actually help police solve particular odd crimes for them. Common in the "weird little man with a gimmick" detective series (Monk, Psych, the Mentalist, Lie To Me, Sherlock Holmes himself sometimes)

edited 6th Jun '11 6:39:01 AM by SomeSortOfTroper


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