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KitsuneInferno Jackass Detector from East Tennessee Since: Apr, 2009
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#51: Oct 2nd 2011 at 11:25:25 AM

Speaking of someone who has no knowledge of dubstep, I'm guessing brostep is just a derisive term to denote the acts that have no sense of subtlety and appeal to teeming masses of testosterone. Kinda like how Linkin Park described other nu-metal acts as fratrock.

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BlixtySlycat |like a boss| from Driving the Rad Hazard Since: Aug, 2011
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#52: Oct 2nd 2011 at 12:03:48 PM

Skrillex is hated because he is extremely mediocre.

Of course, I don't like most dubstep in general, so perhaps that's just me.

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Litis from Israel Since: Jul, 2009
#53: Oct 2nd 2011 at 12:09:19 PM

Brostep is electro house plus some dubstep elements and the perfect douchebag bait. Skrillex is an example of brostep.

And I don't know where your ideas of the perception of certain kinds of music by the general public come from, but technically electronic music became popular ever since the application of electronic instruments to pop. Kraftwerk, a purely electronic band, appeared in the high registers of charts in the late seventies and topped them in the eighties.

Regarding Skrillex, I found little to like in what little I've heard of his music, but even assuming I never would have heard of him, this short but sweet review points out that Skrillex is the third time Sonny Moore jumps on a musical bandwagon (first one was the pop emo band From First to Last, the second - a solo electropop project), so that's reason enough to hate him already.

edited 2nd Oct '11 12:46:05 PM by Litis

red223 Gothmog_The_Balrog Since: Mar, 2010
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#54: Oct 2nd 2011 at 3:07:59 PM

To be honest, I love this sort of music, but haven't even listened to much Skrillex. Anyone else love Lapfox Trax?

edited 2nd Oct '11 3:08:24 PM by red223

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xexyzl Since: Jan, 2001
#55: Oct 2nd 2011 at 3:55:04 PM

Skrillex is the third time Sonny Moore jumps on a musical bandwagon (first one was the pop emo band From First to Last, the second - a solo electropop project), so that's reason enough to hate him already.
I'd definitely have to say the biggest reason I dislike Dubstep is because of how blatantly it's a flavor of the week genre. Does anyone seriously, seriously think that this nonsense is gonna last? I'm sorry for being so cynical, but it stinks of trendiness and gimmicks and I don't think its devotees are really gonna follow it into the underground in a year or two when the next big thing comes along.

inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
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#56: Oct 3rd 2011 at 6:25:48 AM

Skrillex is the third time Sonny Moore jumps on a musical bandwagon (first one was the pop emo band From First to Last, the second - a solo electropop project)

Not exactly, Gypeyhook was more of a testing groung dor Skrillex.

I don't think its devotees are really gonna follow it into the underground in a year or two when the next big thing comes along.

True, but loosing the obnoxious fratboy demographic will do wonders.

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SoCalToa King of Pants from The Town With No Name Since: Aug, 2011
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#57: Oct 3rd 2011 at 11:39:38 AM

Despite being an avid fan, I have NO idea how you would characterize Richard D. James. If nothing else, I'd call him glitch-ambient (save for Select Ambient Works, which were self explanatory).

edited 3rd Oct '11 11:39:49 AM by SoCalToa

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#58: Oct 3rd 2011 at 11:43:10 AM

This dubstep stuff isn't half bad.

inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
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#59: Oct 3rd 2011 at 11:52:11 AM

[up][up]IDM. He hates the label, but it works.

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MasterInferno It's Like Arguing on the Internet from Tomb of Malevolence Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#60: Oct 3rd 2011 at 12:00:27 PM

That song Kino posted is pretty nifty, but I've read so much verbal blowjobbing of the dubstep genre that I've kind of been resisting checking it out more, and most of the dubstep I've heard (don't know any specific artists) sounded rather blah. The whole "wobba wobba" bass thing gets boring to me pretty quickly.

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SoCalToa King of Pants from The Town With No Name Since: Aug, 2011
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#61: Oct 3rd 2011 at 12:25:19 PM

[up][up] As do I. "Intelligent Dance Music" just sounds so pretentious. Plus, I would like to see ONE person (besides Johnny) who can actually dance to an Aphex Twin track.

edited 3rd Oct '11 12:25:36 PM by SoCalToa

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inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
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#62: Oct 3rd 2011 at 12:27:27 PM

Me. cool

It's only Intelligent Dance Music 'cause it acronyms well.

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NoSpoilersPlz Since: Feb, 2011
#63: Nov 5th 2011 at 8:37:31 PM

Imma try and clear this up real smooth-like. Most genres of rave are determined by their speed, or their Beats Per Minute (BPM). Examples provided.

House:The original stuff. Created by some guys in Detroit who named it after the club they played it at, "The Warehouse". Close to disco, and has more sub-genres than you can count on one hand (my favorites being Deep, Dream, and Acid House). Usually in the 120 BPM range.

Rave:Umbrella term for EDM (electronic dance music), despite the fact that it was actually it's own genre in the early nineties. It was often around 100 BPM. Nowadays, many people use it to refer to hardcore stuff, which falls between 170 and 230 BPM, depending on the style.

Techno:Old-skool stuff was simple and repetitive, if not a little hypnotic. I don't really think anyone makes it any more.

Acid Techno:Techno that heavily utilizes the 303 Synthesizer.

Old-Skool Trance:Actually focused on the repitition. Personally, I don't like it.

Modern Trance:Focuses heavily on emotional feel. More mainstream tracks follow a buildup-anthem-breakdown formula. Anywhere between 130-150 BPM

Psy Trance:Psychedelic Trance. Trippy and acidic. Related to Goa Trance. 140-165 or so.

Drum n' Bass:Basically hip-hop played at twice the speed with a distorted bass. 160-190.

Happy Hardcore:My favorite. Old-skool stuff was slower and focused on a childish-feel with speedy piano riffs and cheesy vocals. Modern stuff is arguably trance with a heavy beat and faster tempo, but in a very very good way. 170+

UK Hardcore:Happy Hardcore without the Happy. True rave music. 170+

Gabber:Truely hardcore stuff that focuses heavily on a massive distorted beat and aggressive themes. Can either be 160-170, or 180-220.

Frenchcore:Related to Gabber somewhat. What it lacks in distortion it makes up for in hardness and speed. 210+

Speedcore:Exactly what it sounds like. 300+

Hope this helps.

inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
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#64: Nov 6th 2011 at 10:58:49 AM

Drum n' Bass:Basically hip-hop played at twice the speed with a distorted bass.

-_-

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xexyzl Since: Jan, 2001
#65: Nov 6th 2011 at 2:48:43 PM

Yeah, I was gonna reply to that with "Snort", but I thought that'd be too short of a post. Glad to see I wasn't the only one who thought that was stupid.

JHM Apparition in the Woods from Niemandswasser Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
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#66: Nov 7th 2011 at 8:02:15 AM

[up] Had I been here earlier, mine would probably have simply consisted of "WRONG".

So yes, what [up][up] said.

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inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
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#67: Nov 7th 2011 at 8:53:18 AM

I shoulda just posted this right off the bat.

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#68: Nov 8th 2011 at 2:40:09 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Plus, you like Happy Hardcore, so NOTHING YOU WILL EVER SAY ABOUT MUSIC MATTERS.

Personally, I'd describe D&B as "the kind of thing drummers wish they could play."

And house probably has more subgenres than you can count on three peoples' hands.

edited 8th Nov '11 2:41:49 AM by Wheezy

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Litis from Israel Since: Jul, 2009
#69: Nov 8th 2011 at 3:03:26 AM

Being stuck in the '90s has its disadvantages. Namely, not mentioning any of the genres the thread title has.

D&B

the kind of thing drummers wish they could play

lol owned

edited 8th Nov '11 3:08:19 AM by Litis

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#70: Nov 8th 2011 at 4:14:40 AM

That guy is clearly a Physical God, so that doesn't count.*

edited 8th Nov '11 4:21:31 AM by Wheezy

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inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
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#71: Nov 8th 2011 at 5:21:40 AM

Oh, that's nothing:

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Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#72: Nov 8th 2011 at 9:03:28 AM

Venetian Snares

live drum cover

HOW

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
Litis from Israel Since: Jul, 2009
#73: Nov 8th 2011 at 11:02:03 AM

>implying that juggling between three differently pitched cymbals with a single hand and double pedal hi-hat playing is less impressive than playing along to a memorized song

Though yeah, dude's awesome. Check ex-Dillinger Escape Plan Chris Pennie jamming along to Aphex's Come to Daddy:

He learned it for a studio recording.

edited 8th Nov '11 11:03:20 AM by Litis

inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
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#74: Nov 8th 2011 at 11:18:47 AM

Now For Something Completely Different:

edited 8th Nov '11 11:20:01 AM by inane242

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tetra Since: Dec, 2010
#75: Dec 14th 2011 at 2:32:47 AM

Speedcore is defined by its aggressive, relentless style, not just speed. Speedcore is furious electronic dance music that picks up energy nonstop until the end. Every second it stops, is just as s second spent to build to the next cacophonous blast of noise. Of course being fast is a component of aggression, but there is more to style than speed. Think static, yelling, samples of people being killed, overwhelmingly heavy kickdrums and general unpleasantness.

Frenchcore is... an blend of things. Take Gabber, which is in itself a faster, more annoying house music (Another house subgenre!!) and its distorted 4/4 beat, toss in techno style rhythms and maybe a few breakbeats, and cap it all off with some DJ cuts and scratching. Play it back real fast to whip everyone up into a frenzy, and you've got yourself a "Frenchcore" track. Of course, sometimes they go lazy and mash up hip hop tunes with distorted basslines. Meh.

Gabber is hardcore in that it is a heavier, faster house beat. It falls into many the same pitfalls as normal house IMO, such as stale, constant 4/4 bass on the same damn note for five (adverb) whole minutes, give or take a couple of minutes. It has other rhythmic, melodic qualities that may or may not make up for this, but it is house at its root.

For how often people throw around the phrase "techno music", classic techno music never broke too far into the mainstream. Techno is from the dilapidated Detroit, unlike its hip, vibrant, queer older brother in Chicago called house. Techno isn't doing so well itself.

Acid is the sound of an overdriven synth from the crappy Roland 303 synthesizer. It sounds great, but you would get the impression it was overused as anything could possibly be. A few hoover samples from Human Resources - Dominator, breakbeats, 4/4 beats at 130bpm and a catchy jingle or sample is the brief summation of rave music.

edited 14th Dec '11 2:36:19 AM by tetra


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