First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
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I generally have the fairly high bar of believing that when you overthrow a dictator and become a dictator yourself, you don't deserve any props even if you give people free healthcare.
Free determination is a "barest minimum for decency" in a leader post 19th century.
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reads Castro apologism
I knew it would happens. It always happens. USA had done stupid shit but that don't make Castro being good.
Now, that USA stupid shit is almost always on the same wing is what makes Castro criticism being so politicized.
Castro was a imperialist in his own right, he gladly helped the soviets and supported regimes as bad as the Americans biggest fuck ups. Nelson Mandela was practically the Token Good Teammate, the exception that proves the rule.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Jan 20th 2019 at 11:25:10 AM
Watch me destroying my country
I dosent help castro is elevated as sort of mythical philosopher king who wax on how good he is and how capitalism is a cancer and all that jazz.
As a venezuelan I will said: fuck him, fuck him and is crony who plague much of my country.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Reminds me of a bit of WILD CARDS and Jumping Jack Flash.
A guy decides to go to college in order to become a grass smoking hippie but discovers when he arrives he discovers the college counterculture campus is instead Pro-Mao and Castro communists.
Later, Jack Flash returns as a professional mercenary for hire and worker for even vaguely communist warlords.
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....For me as venezuelan, it sound like your vaguely pro facism ficcion.
Thankfully, he's a villain in that latter role.
But George R.R. Martin was reflecting his own experiences where he wanted to be a hippie and found his campus was full of a lot of pro-communist apologia during the 1970s.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 20th 2019 at 10:14:43 AM
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Props to him I guess, you cant even guess the damage chavismo did to my country and how race relationship turn to worst because of it.
It looks pretty bad, I gotta say. I'm sorry and hope things turn around for your nation.
Sadly, I only knew Chavez from friendly US pieces.
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A lot of people in my (left leaning liberal academic) circles were always defending Chavez and saying America was an ogre menacing Venezuela when the poor needed a government that defended it. Even now there's lots of debates on it.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 20th 2019 at 10:36:24 AM
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UFFFFF there is a lot to unpack, in part because well....yeah the oposition was dumb...like pretty fucking dumb about it, you thing dem fight all the time? you havent hear nothing, almost 18 years and here people still squable against themselves, all the damn time.
And chavismo used the climate of the time to their advantage: US have bush who was awfull and for a time the worst president for many(how much fly the time, isnt?) and stuff like fiasco in libya and othet stuff was easy to defend chavez, specially since he hit easy to mock target like bush and neo liberalism.
Is only when we got maduro(aka left trump) that everything reaaaaaally crash down.
Like I said, you US can learn alot of my country in how is to be rule by a huge idiot, he is a tip: is not pretty.
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Better than Stalin is indeed not a very high bar. Better than Batista would be a better statement, as that was the guy who was in power previously.
As for Bush: Honestly, I think since Trump, way too many people forget about or go easy on him. In many ways, he was just as bad if not worse.
Edited by Forenperser on Jan 21st 2019 at 2:56:58 PM
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I'm hearing the harassment story is a LOT more complicated then what it was originally reported as it seems multiple news agencies reported differently on what actually happened, from what I've gathered
This bbc article has a good summary
Twitter summary of the longer video thats been floating around
The only fact I'm certain of is that the known hate group called 'The black Israelists' were largely at fault,the alt right has mudded the waters to completely it's hard to see anything clearly
Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 21st 2019 at 3:14:58 PM
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Yeah, not buying it. The BBC article quotes the student as saying "it wasn't my fault, it was everyone else's fault!", which has zero credibility. The BBC article also mentions that they got a statement through a spokesman at a PR company that the kid (or his parents, at least) had hired. He's a privileged rich white kid who got called out for being a shitty human being and is now desperately trying to avoid the consequences.
I'm also deeply skeptical of a random Twitter person citing "my friend Aaron" as a source for anything.
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It was a hundred or so rich kids from an all-white-male private school, bussed in wearing MAGA hats to astroturf the March for Life, versus four Black Israelites. Even if they didn't start the altercation, they had no need to engage.
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> I'm also deeply skeptical of a random Twitter person citing "my friend Aaron" as a source for anything.
While you are right to be skeptical the source doesn't exactly defend the kids which is what would immediately make me suspicious
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I feel like the Indigenous March incident is already drifting into the new ether. FFS, do we still not have that Po S's name?
Also, it should be pointed out that they were doing the haka, a traditional Maori dance. Yet another nail in the "they didn't start it!" argument. They. Knew. What. They. Were. Doing.
Edited by SciFiSlasher on Jan 21st 2019 at 3:14:25 AM
"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
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You dont need his name,it's out there if you want to find it and yes he's received death threats already
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Putting the guys name online and harassing him is not going to improve the world. What he needs is a simple condemnation of his behavior (which he's getting even if it's not to his face) and if I believed in violence, a hard smack in the face.
Sadly, the problems of the country go beyond a small group of disrespectful rich kids.
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...Hasn't it been said that he was misidentified as Michael Hodge?
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Not yet it hasn't,but your obsession with naming him is concerning,please give it rest
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Yes his name is kinda like easy to find since cable news keeps doxing him, but asking about it is concerning.
Attacking back makes the world a worse place, not a better one, we need to rise above the assholes, shame them and say what they do is wrong, but not harass back.
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That one works for me too. 
From What the Fuck Just Happened Today:
Trump tweeted his support for the Covington Catholic High School kids involved in a confrontation with Native Americans and Black Hebrew Israelites in front of the Lincoln Memorial last week. "Looking like Nick Sandman & Covington Catholic students were treated unfairly with early judgements proving out to be false - smeared by media," Trump tweeted. "Not good, but making big comeback!"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-backs-students-from-lincoln-memorial-confrontation/
A Malaysian man just got murdered in New York.
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