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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#19001: Nov 9th 2018 at 9:54:31 AM

"Not for nothing is calling the police being seen as a manifestation of white privilege in the USA."

I dont know, the notion the law enforcement can help you is pretty deep in almost every devolped country, if anything is the oposite: the refusal to see the cops can make things worse in general.

"It's not as if there's a point to be made by the young men and women who wish to defend their dreams of ideal lives that are virtually guaranteed to be taken from them by a foreign power."

The problem is sometimes facing with violence is pretty and all....and failed and failed WAR, the khan erase one city out of the map and for years he wiped out everything he held against them, if between total destruction and awfull life, what is the best choice?

Because if we put here and now in cold hard ways, using violence to face injustice dosent always work and sometimes it just exist so others can romantize for some reason or another

Edited by unknowing on Nov 9th 2018 at 2:05:04 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#19002: Nov 9th 2018 at 10:07:06 AM

[up]I'm guessing you haven't been following this thread much then. It's been brought up before that there's something of a trend of white people calling cops on black people for the most trivial stupid bullshit in the USA. This along with police brutality that disproportionately targets minorities with occasional lethal results...

So no, it's not for nothing that a not insignificant number of black people in the USA don't think they can rely on the police.

Also, who the fuck here said violence ALWAYS works? Nobody, that's who.

Edited by M84 on Nov 10th 2018 at 2:10:18 AM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#19003: Nov 9th 2018 at 10:11:04 AM

[up]I HAVE follow the thread lately, im just against the idea that cops exist as privilage in itself but as part of sociaty in general.

The privilage come for the no considering that cops dosent work for some people.

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#19004: Nov 9th 2018 at 10:18:13 AM

[up]I said it's calling the cops that is a manifestation of white privilege in the USA.

Here's a Vox article about it:

White people keep calling the cops on black people for no reason. That’s dangerous.

A black Yale student was taking a nap in a common room in her dorm earlier this week when a white student saw her sleeping and decided to call the police.

Lolade Siyonbola, who is a graduate student at Yale, was woken up by the classmate and interrogated by law enforcement for 15 minutes. According to Siyonbola, the white student told police that she appeared out of place in the building.

“I deserve to be here. I pay tuition like everybody else,” Siyonbola told police officers in a video posted to Facebook. “I’m not going to justify my existence here.”

The Yale incident is the latest in a number of recent, high-profile cases where people of color have been racially profiled, confronted by police, and, in some cases, arrested after white business owners, employees, or bystanders viewed them with suspicion. Many of the incidents have spread on social media, calling national attention to the issue.

Trevor Noah did a pretty amusing bit about this (I think it was posted here before)

He jokingly suggests that this problem might be reduced if people were charged for making frivolous calls to the police.

Edited by M84 on Nov 10th 2018 at 2:24:25 AM

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#19005: Nov 9th 2018 at 11:13:23 AM

I HAVE follow the thread lately, im just against the idea that cops exist as privilage in itself but as part of sociaty in general.

The privilage come for the no considering that cops dosent work for some people.

Ah, you've misunderstood what people are saying.

Obviously, the existence of Law Enforcement is not in of itself an example of privilege but rather how Law Enforcement exists in the US most certainly is, there's a reason that myself as a White person has always felt comfortable talking to or calling Police Officers while a Black person is rather likely to not be.

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#19006: Nov 9th 2018 at 2:01:37 PM

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(As someone who's volunteered for a couple of Asian history institutions, I'm seriously tempted to go off on a long badhistory tangent every time the Mongol Empire is invoked)

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#19007: Nov 9th 2018 at 3:23:01 PM

" there's a reason that myself as a White person has always felt comfortable talking to or calling Police Officers while a Black person is rather likely to not be."

OF course, my point is that the privilage exist more in the idea that white people dosent get the idea that "call the police when you think there is something bad" is something only they enjoy.

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#19008: Nov 9th 2018 at 4:17:58 PM

He jokingly suggests that this problem might be reduced if people were charged for making frivolous calls to the police.

I actually think that is not a bad idea, unless there something that I'm missing (it likely does, very likely)

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#19009: Nov 9th 2018 at 4:26:26 PM

It varies from state to state, but most places actually will fine or arrest you for making frivolous 911 calls.

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#19011: Nov 13th 2018 at 9:39:42 AM

Good Guy with a Gun™ stops bad guy with a gun and is killed by police anyway:

Police Fatally Shoot Black Security Guard Who Detained Shooting Suspect

When police arrived after reports of a shooting over the weekend at a bar outside Chicago, witnesses say Jemel Roberson, a 26-year-old security guard who worked there, had already subdued the alleged assailant, pinning him to the ground.

Adam Harris, who was at Manny's Blue Bar in Robbins at the time of the incident on Sunday, told WGN-TV that Roberson was holding "somebody on the ground with his knee in his back, with his gun in his back" when officers from neighboring Midlothian got there early Sunday.

Midlothian Police Chief Daniel Delaney said that's when one of his officers "encountered a subject with a gun" and shot him, according to a statement given to the media.

But the "subject" was Roberson, not the suspect in the bar shooting.

Witnesses say Roberson was wearing his uniform, including a hat emblazoned with the word "security," and was holding a firearm he was licensed to carry.

Midlothian police confirmed that two officers responded to the scene at the bar on Sunday and that one of them opened fire.

"Everybody was screaming out 'Security!' " Harris told WGN. "And they still did their job, and saw a black man with a gun, and basically killed him."

Roberson was declared dead shortly after arriving at a hospital. Four others at the bar, including the shooting suspect, sustained non-life-threatening injuries, police said.

Delaney said that the Cook County Sheriff's Office and the Robbins Police Department were investigating the shooting.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Nov 13th 2018 at 12:40:04 PM

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#19012: Nov 13th 2018 at 10:30:41 AM

"And they still did their job, and saw a black man with a gun, and basically killed him."
This is all you really need to know about the incident.

People in this country think it's the police's job to kill black men with guns. Even when (or maybe especially when) it's part of their job.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
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#19013: Nov 13th 2018 at 10:55:22 AM

I believe what's being implied there is that it is the police's job to kill black people. As in, that's their entire purpose.

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#19015: Nov 13th 2018 at 1:00:51 PM

And that is precisely why we're claiming "being able to call the police is white privilege."

Because in many instances, a black person calling the cops doesn't bring someone on your side, it calls someone who may see you as the enemy.

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#19016: Nov 13th 2018 at 7:03:41 PM

Latinos Increasingly Concerned About Their Place In U.S. Society, Survey Finds

One out of every two Latinos in the United States says that life has become more difficult for them in the past year, according to a recent survey by the Pew Research Center, a nonpartisan think tank in Washington, D.C.

Mark Lopez, director of global migration and demography research at Pew and a co-writer of the survey, says the findings reflect a turn "towards being pessimistic about the country, about the direction of the country and also the future for their own children."

Lopez says Latinos have traditionally been more optimistic than the general U.S. population about life in the United States. "But that's changed," he says.

Nearly 4 in 10 Latinos say they experienced some kind of harassment related to their ethnicity in the past year.

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#19017: Nov 13th 2018 at 9:03:51 PM

Trump-era racism is a Self Fullfilling Prophecy. Many latinos do like USA even more than USA-inhabitants themselves.

Now, unless things get better fast. We're likely going to have drastic changes in the views.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Nov 13th 2018 at 12:05:08 PM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#19018: Nov 14th 2018 at 1:35:52 PM

[up]My brother have being there a couple of months and he said he wont be in US in general as he experience racism first hand, including one women who stare him while eating and expecting him to move.

Yeah, what a douchebags.

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#19019: Nov 14th 2018 at 8:08:49 PM

Indigenous women kept from seeing their newborn babies until agreeing to sterilization, says lawyer

As a senator calls for a nationwide review of the forced sterilization of Indigenous women, a lawyer representing a proposed class action detailed the women's accounts of being sterilized without proper and informed consent.

"In the throes of labour ... they would be approached, harassed, coerced into signing these consent forms," said Alisa Lombard, an associate with Maurice Law, the first Indigenous-owned national law firm in Canada.

The women would be told that they could not leave until their tubes were tied, cut or cauterized, she added, or that "they could not see their baby until they agreed."

At least 60 Indigenous women are pursuing a class-action lawsuit launched last year, alleging they underwent forced sterilizations over the past 20 to 25 years in Saskatchewan. Each woman is claiming about $7 million in damages.

In most of the cases — some happening as recently as 2017 — the "women report being told that the procedure was reversible," Lombard said.

She said the procedures, known as tubal ligation, have had a huge effect on the women.

"Many have had bouts and persistent depression, anxiety — many are no longer with us because of those ailments and those circumstances."

In a statement to The Current following Tuesday's broadcast, Indigenous Services Minister Jane Philpott described forced sterilization as "a serious violation of human rights."

"We all have a role to play to ensure that Indigenous patients receive quality healthcare free of prejudice, including ensuring medical professionals receive cultural safety training, as laid out in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's calls to action," the statement continued.

Lombard said the case is being taken against the physicians involved, the Saskatchewan Health Authority, the province of Saskatchewan and the Government of Canada.

The Current requested an interview with the Saskatoon Health Region and the Saskatchewan Health Authority, but did not receive a response.

Following an independent review in Jan. 2017, the Saskatoon Health Region apologized for the past coercion of Indigenous women to undergo surgical sterilization.

"I want to apologize to the women who came forward in the review, who've come forward to us in the past, and who haven't yet been able to come forward to us," said Jackie Mann, vice-president of integrated health services, on behalf of the health authority.

"I am truly sorry for the coercion for tubal ligation that you experienced while in our care," she said during a news conference on July 27, 2017.

The review was conducted by Dr. Yvonne Boyer, a Métis lawyer and former nurse, and Dr. Judy Bartlett, a physician and former professor with the College of Medicine at the University of Manitoba. The 57-page report interviewed seven Indigenous women and compiled details described as "scare tactics" to get their consent.

Boyer, who is now a senator for Ontario, called on the Senate this week to study the scope of the issue nationally.

"If it's happened in Saskatoon, it has happened in Regina, it's happened in Winnipeg, it's happened where there's a high population of Indigenous women," Boyer said in an interview.

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#19020: Nov 14th 2018 at 8:28:32 PM

Man, freaking Austra-

in Canada.

... what the flying fuck??

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#19021: Nov 14th 2018 at 8:42:09 PM

Yep, Canada has for a long time treated the indigenous First Nations population like utter shit.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#19022: Nov 14th 2018 at 9:09:38 PM

See, at first I assumed it was in the US...

It's been fun.
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#19023: Nov 14th 2018 at 9:16:34 PM

It's pretty dang universal. Colonists move in on natives' turf, and natives get totally screwed.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#19024: Nov 14th 2018 at 10:32:21 PM

How did that country get a reputation for being courteous to a fault?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#19025: Nov 14th 2018 at 10:35:17 PM

[up]Because they were historically polite to everyone but the indigenous people, I assume. Though I guess it's possible to be polite to people even as you're sterilizing them.

I never really put much stock in that stereotype anyway, since I've met some rude Canadians back in my day. Stereotypes are funny like that.

Edited by M84 on Nov 15th 2018 at 2:36:24 AM

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