First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
Here in Latin America we had the "luck" of being the default battle field by proxy of the Cold War. If you wanted try your ideology (ultra capitalism or socialism). Latin America was one of the best places.
Otherwise. We probably would hate each other even more. For example, Peru still don't forgive Chile for winning a war.
Watch me destroying my countryDon't forget the tendency of conservative East Asian nationalists to impede social change by framing liberal causes such as feminism and LGBT rights as poisonous Western imports aiming to brainwash their womenfolk from marrying their "true ancestral people".
China cracked down on the Me Too movement there by doing so. Plus, with the recent arrest of Fan Bingbing caused by an accusation of tax evasion by a male television host, I can't help but wonder if something Weinstein-esque was going on behind he scenes.
Edited by FluffyMcChicken on Sep 11th 2018 at 9:39:24 AM
Ah, yes. Who could forget the deeply rooted systemic sexism inherent in a lot of East Asian countries?
Disgusted, but not surprisedIs the LGBT-phobia there as imported-from-the-West as it often is in Africa? The universe loves irony after all.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanThe CCP is when ricels try to run a country.
Pfft. East Asian countries don’t need Western homophobes to teach them to hate LGBT people. They do that just fine on their own.
And yes, there is plenty of racism in East Asia too. I posted before that I have seen a commercial with blackface in it.
Edited by M84 on Sep 12th 2018 at 12:53:00 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised
That’s nothing, I remember seeing a chinese commercial of laundry powder that had a woman putting a black guy that was flirting with her in a washing machine until the guy was chinese like her.
Edit: @ Kazuya
I have to add that it was blatant war of conquest on part of Chile and that both Bolivia and us ended in a pretty bad position after the war.
In Peru, you can’t love your country without having animosities towards Chile or Spain, and of the two at least the latter could be said to have went through enough humiliation in the past centuries to “make up” for the conquest.
Edited by raziel365 on Sep 11th 2018 at 10:23:29 AM
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.That's not even getting into the CPC's policies of Han supremacy.
Oh really when?Imported during the colonial era, and anything since then has been a self-sustaining issue due to the archconservative and patriarchal nature of Asian society. Before then homosexuality was quite common and considered normal as long as they remembered to provide the appearance of heteronormativity via settling down with a wife and having children via heterosexual intercourse.
Homosexuality in Japanese culture has taken a long and weird road to get where it is, and I'm not particularly well-versed in it. Suffice to say that the Taisho era "cultural revolution", the war, and the US occupation sublimated a very strange mix of homosexual-ish social historical traditions, a highly homosocial culture, and Western disapproval of the practice, injected that directly into the Japanese cultural consciousness, and brought about a hugely self-denying gay culture that almost embraced the denial as a kind of masochistic, hypermasculine aesthetic (like Mishima, poor guy).
At least, that was my professor's take on it in school. Can't say how that applies to things more modern than the 80s or so, or to women.
Edited by RedSavant on Sep 11th 2018 at 2:07:05 PM
It's been fun.@raziel. Oh yeah, that comercial that become a meme (mocking it, thankfully).
And yeah. Who can forget the clear hating Chile. Albeit, I haven't see a lot of Spain hate. Colonial Spain sure, but modern one not. It helps that we trade inmigrants to each other constantly.
My baby cousin was born in Chile and thus he is chilene as well. Let's wait to see how he handle it.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 11th 2018 at 1:10:30 PM
Watch me destroying my countryFor what it is worth, Japan has a.... HUGE generational divide right now, like massive.
people under 50 have overwhelming suport for LGBT people..... people under 50 have over support 80% compared to Americas 70%, people over 50 have 34%, compared to Amercia's 56%
There is a similar thing going on with feminism (though it is never supported by name)
The problem is that well, the regard that elders are held to means that the old generation is holding back the new one.
Hmm...would you say that this divide is affecting how popular culture portrays such issues? Or does that involve other factors?
Oh God! Natural light!Wait. American old people support LGTB for 56%?
That is...way more than expected.
Watch me destroying my countryIt can't be overstated how much the American popular view of LGBT people has shifted, it helps that Same Sex Marriage passed and the sky didn't fall and thus people realized that it wasn't some intolerable state of affairs.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -HylarnA feminist studies professor of mine also said that homosexual "tolerance" needed to be examined in a cultural context. That it sometimes wasn't tolerance at all.
A lot of cultures had ritualized and normalized gay relationships. However, this actually wasn't a sign of enlightenment but as a sign of such ingrained toxic masculinity that sexual relationships with women were considered disgusting in many circumstances.
She was Japanese and I don't know if it's right but it was her thoughts about it in her country.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 12th 2018 at 4:44:45 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.A lot of it was founded in basically, Misogyny Up To Eleven. Hating woman so much that you become gay.
It sounds like a meme, but that is how it worked.
Watch me destroying my countryIt's true of ancient Greece at least. Sex with women was natural but instinctual and animalistic, and only other men were enlightened and logical enough creatures to provide a truly equal relationship with each other. I can just hear the fedoras tipping in the distance.
One just needs to look at Ancient Athens, and Ancient Greece by extension, for that, and note the irony that the brutal Sparta gave its women much more power and respect than in the cradle of democracy.
As for Spanish hate, well, remember that we have the hispanist and indigenist authors that tackle the repercussions of the Viceroyalty here, and while the books I have read pretty much agree that the conquistadores were bad overall, the Viceroyalty is more of a complicated tangle to evaluate fully, with new info contradicting the old and having to notice the agenda of the historian that writes the book, overall I have yet to read a book that stands in the middle of the divide.
And let’s not forget that they were also boylovers.
Edited by raziel365 on Sep 11th 2018 at 3:05:44 AM
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.More exactly...
tip pileus
Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 11th 2018 at 5:07:41 AM
Watch me destroying my countryApologies if this has been done to death;
Australia's The Herald and Mark Knight have doubled down on declaring their controversial cartoon about Serena William's outburst to be Not Racist https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-45487873 http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-serena-williams-cartoon-20180911-story.html
Putting aside the fact that the image is a gross misrepresentation of events, and the fact that just because something is a cartoon caricature doesn't mean it's suddenly not racist, this is just despicable behavior. And trying to frame everyone else as wrong for taking offense doesn't make you look any better.
Even if I ignore that Serena looks more like and ape or a caveman than an athelete, why is her opponent drawn like some blonde waif? Naomi Osaka is actually taller than Williams and just as dark, the official wasn't a white guy either.
I think what really gets to me though is how quickly some people turned on Williams just as soon as she has an outburst. One fucking bad scene doesn't make someone unworthy of the respect they've earned over the years of grinding. It's almost like they wanted this to happen, any possible reason to shit all over that woman. Let's hope Trump doesn't weigh in on this or next thing we'll see if going to be angry mobs with pitchforks.
Edited by Codafett on Sep 11th 2018 at 3:13:09 AM
Find the Light in the DarkIt was generally true for classical Japan, too - there was a strong culture of monastic pederasty, and among the samurai, too (it's commonly accepted that Oda Nobunaga and his pageboy Mori Ranmaru were lovers, for instance). In the case of Buddhist monks doing it, it was deeply buried in thoughts of women as impure, and the idea that lust was a distracting or tainting influence, but only if you gave in and soiled yourself with a woman instead of just letting a fellow holy man help you out.
It's been fun.All right, I'm lost, what happened w/ Serena Williams?
To pity someone is to tell them "I feel bad about being better than you."From my understanding Serena Williams got fed up with how tennis judges/higher ups were treating her and other women over things that men would get no shit for. She started angrily arguing with an judge and calling them out for their double standards of both her race and gender. Hell, her arguing with the judges is something a few male players have done before with no judgement. It became more of an race thing once that jackass made a blatantly racist political cartoon that depicted her as a racist fat caricature throwing an tantrum and blatantly whitewashing her opponent and the judge to be white when they were clearly not white.
Tbh I think most political cartoonists in general are racist sexist alt-right hacks and that one is an very good example as to why I do not have an good opinion of political cartoonists.
Edited by Wispy on Sep 12th 2018 at 4:43:38 AM
Let's not forget that the East Asian tendency to ignore and deny atrocities in the name of "honor" means we have a tendency to pretend we've never committed any war crimes while also demanding that the other East Asian countries apologize for theirs.
Disgusted, but not surprised