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First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.

With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.

First, a few starter questions.

  • How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
  • Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
    • Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
  • Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
  • Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?

Also, a personal question from me.

  • Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?

edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf

YasminPerry Since: May, 2015
#14626: Nov 15th 2017 at 3:13:32 PM

[up] Ah, I see, thanks for clearing it up! [tup] I definitely agree there some unique problems I have to go though, like general belief i can't understand math and science well (always gets me riled up!)

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#14627: Nov 15th 2017 at 5:24:20 PM

Also the way we encounter race and gender are very different.It's very feasible to only ever encounter your own race if you grow up segregated or just in a homogenous area. That's a tad more difficult with gender.

edited 15th Nov '17 5:24:32 PM by MrAHR

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#14628: Nov 15th 2017 at 7:17:00 PM

Who claimed there was a false equivalency between racism and sexism? No one here did—and neither did anyone over in the Sexism Thread. I presume this is about something that happened offsite...?

edited 15th Nov '17 7:20:03 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

YasminPerry Since: May, 2015
#14629: Nov 15th 2017 at 7:20:33 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#14630: Nov 15th 2017 at 7:24:12 PM

Thought so. And thus you continue the problems from yesterday by misrepresenting conflicts in other threads.

For those who care—-Yasmin crashed the Sexism Thread to defend a noted anti-feminist. When told she was making statements that were both misogynistic and rape apologia she tried to claim that we were insulting her and drew a false comparison between being told what she said was misogynistic, and being called the n-word.

My post that she just referenced is here. I would respectfully suggest that further engagement on the topic will lead to a derail.

edited 15th Nov '17 7:35:58 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

YasminPerry Since: May, 2015
#14631: Nov 15th 2017 at 7:27:24 PM

I'm not lying, I must have misunderstood your post. (Sorry!) And I'm not about to pick a fight with you, so goodbye.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#14632: Nov 15th 2017 at 7:35:15 PM

Sigh...look Yasmin. I'm going to extend what good faith I have left after the last incident and assume, for the sake of this conversation, that you are not trolling or trying to get a rise out of people. That you really are confused and unaware of how you are presenting.

You came into the Sexism Thread out of the blue to declare your love of a noted sexist. When people criticized her you made an attempt to defend her that involved belittling the incident of rape and referring to me as a SOB. Now I check into this thread, where I regularly lurk and sometimes post, and find you misrepresenting something I said in the Sexism Thread.

There's nothing wrong with having different opinions. There's nothing wrong with not having information and trying to get it. And despite your comment in the above post, not every difference of opinion needs to turn into a fight. Nobody enjoys fighting, least of all me. But for that to happen, we have to be able to exchange views, and for that to happen, you're going to need to understand that criticizing your views or the views of those you disagree with is neither insulting you nor trying to start a fight.

If you want to talk about Sexism that's great. If you want to talk about Race Relations, that's great. Nobody, not even me, wants to run you out of threads. But jumping from thread to thread and carrying arguments between them is not the way to go.

edited 15th Nov '17 7:36:46 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

YasminPerry Since: May, 2015
#14633: Nov 15th 2017 at 7:40:21 PM

I'm not going to talk about Ms. Sommers again for the time being, and I'm not going to engage in feminism/sexism conversations on the Internet any time soon as well. Sorry, them's the brakes.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#14635: Nov 18th 2017 at 5:18:23 PM

[up] Is it uncouth of me to raise a toast in the jury's honor?

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#14636: Nov 18th 2017 at 5:40:58 PM

The fact that he kept trying to fire his lawyers can’t have helped.

What's precedent ever done for us?
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#14637: Nov 18th 2017 at 6:02:47 PM

[up][up] Normally, sure. But in this case? Roof entirely deserves it.

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#14638: Nov 18th 2017 at 6:13:56 PM

Good riddance! Good bye!

It couldn't happen to someone more deserving.

Inter arma enim silent leges
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#14639: Nov 19th 2017 at 2:04:39 AM

Copying my comments from the US politics thread:

Not sure whether it's a good thing what the reactions to that are. ~Aprilla did make a comment on this a year or so ago but I can't find it.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#14641: Nov 19th 2017 at 1:34:31 PM

Oh my god you're alive.

How are you dude?

Oh really when?
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#14642: Nov 19th 2017 at 1:44:41 PM

I keep forgetting Aprilla is male. I should remember it rhymes with Attila.

edited 19th Nov '17 1:44:58 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#14643: Nov 19th 2017 at 7:39:32 PM

I don't know if this subject fits in with the topic of bigotry or not. But here is a recent comic of Vegan Artbook and it really burns me on so many levels. In the vegan community, there seems to be a subset of people who really have ableilistic tendencies like accusing those who cite their disability as not being able to go vegan as Disability as an Excuse for Jerkassery. The author of the series has been controversial due to her unpleasant views, and this strip will give her even more notoriety.

https://pupaveg.deviantart.com/art/244-Disabled-715846895

edited 19th Nov '17 7:40:19 PM by firewriter

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#14644: Nov 19th 2017 at 7:50:29 PM

Well I’m not going to give her views then.

This thread is focused on racial issue, we may have a thread for general bigotry or a specific one for ablism, you’ll have to check.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Antiteilchen In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good. Since: Sep, 2013
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
#14645: Nov 19th 2017 at 7:58:30 PM

Am I missing something here? The strip doesn't accuse disabled people who can't go vegan. It's about a disabled person shirking responsibility by putting it on their carer as an excuse not to eat vegan.

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#14646: Nov 19th 2017 at 8:10:28 PM

[up]

If you read her deviant art comments on the bottom, then it goes from saying not putting on your carer to any disabled person who uses their disability not to go vegan.

raziel365 Anka Aquila from South of the Far West (Veteran) Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Anka Aquila
#14647: Nov 19th 2017 at 11:22:00 PM

I think the context of this is that a disability is no excuse to not go vegan, no matter what your carer, whose job is especifically to look out for you, says. This of course foregoes the fact that not all people can handle not eating meat or animal related products without it impacting negatively on their health or that most (if not all) humans need a balance of meat and vegetables to stay healthy.

edited 19th Nov '17 11:23:29 PM by raziel365

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#14648: Nov 20th 2017 at 12:11:00 AM

>taking DeviantArt ravings seriously

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#14649: Nov 20th 2017 at 12:51:41 AM

I want to say a lot about this, but it doesn't fit on this thread anyway. One thing I'll say: in the context of "being-the-Good-Guy" morality that a lot of people operate in, it makes perfect sense for vegans to take advantage of their position to judge and condemn others and give oneself status at the expense of others. Don't pay them any mind and just do whatever you want to do... and own the consequences.

Speaking of Get Out!, I've had the story spoiled for me to Hell and back. Is it still worth watching? It seems like a straightforward cringefest.

edited 20th Nov '17 12:53:04 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#14650: Nov 20th 2017 at 2:19:22 AM

What have you got to lose due to watching it?

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot

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