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First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.

With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.

First, a few starter questions.

  • How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
  • Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
    • Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
  • Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
  • Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?

Also, a personal question from me.

  • Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?

edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#10601: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:14:10 AM

During New York City’s annual Inner Circle Dinner skit Saturday, Hillary Clinton and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) made a joke referring to “C.P. time,” an abbreviation for “colored people time.”

The audience wasn't happy.

What do you guys think?

edited 11th Apr '16 11:51:28 AM by Demonic_Braeburn

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#10602: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:50:03 AM

Both of them really should know better. I mean, that joke wasn't even funny.

edited 11th Apr '16 11:52:03 AM by AlleyOop

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#10603: Apr 11th 2016 at 11:55:44 AM

I thought the Bait-and-Switch "Cautious Politician time" was Actually Pretty Funny.

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hellomoto Since: Sep, 2015
#10604: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:11:20 PM

People making 'colored people' jokes in the 21st century? Really?

war877 Grr... <3 from Untamed Wilds Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Grr... <3
#10605: Apr 11th 2016 at 8:47:02 PM

I learned a new phrase today. Personally, I found it actually pretty funny, but also cringy that a politician said it. I could feel the drop in his popularity from all the way up here.

edited 11th Apr '16 8:47:47 PM by war877

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#10606: Apr 11th 2016 at 9:03:23 PM

I'm Jewish and I've heard the phrasing "Jewish Standard Time"- as that suggestions, this kind of concept is very much an N-Word Privileges thing (granted, in this situation the joke was set up with the participation of an African American artist) and if nothing else, doesn't seem like the kind of joke one would make if courting political office/advocating for someone else to be elected to political office.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#10608: Apr 12th 2016 at 9:55:30 AM

Just when I thought the south couldn't get any worse...

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#10609: Apr 12th 2016 at 10:20:39 AM

And people think me wrong for fearing and hating the south but they pull crap like this. I love being north of the Mason-Dixie line now more than ever.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#10610: Apr 12th 2016 at 8:09:07 PM

And another reason people should separate religion for most of public life, to avoid crap like this, ughhhh

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#10611: Apr 12th 2016 at 9:39:06 PM

Ok, why the fuck is that not in the mainstream news?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#10612: Apr 12th 2016 at 9:54:47 PM

[up]Becaus it dosent make good news(unless someone dies of course)

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Imca (Veteran)
#10613: Apr 12th 2016 at 10:44:36 PM

[up][up] Because who do you think pays for the politicians that are in office. ._.;

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#10614: Apr 12th 2016 at 11:36:28 PM

[up] Or could create serious trouble for the Media, if angered?

Keep Rolling On
Nettacki Since: Jan, 2010
#10616: Apr 15th 2016 at 7:17:44 PM

How courts are using rap lyrics to imprison people of color.

There's lots of clickable annotations that you can click on to see some extended interview quotes about this.

war877 Grr... <3 from Untamed Wilds Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Grr... <3
#10617: Apr 15th 2016 at 10:19:30 PM

[up]Okay, WTF. Nobody could be that stupid.

From the title, I was assuming that judges were quoting rap lyrics in their final statements, not using them as evidence.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#10618: Apr 16th 2016 at 1:55:35 AM

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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#10619: Apr 16th 2016 at 3:57:05 AM

[up][up]You underestimate people.

One judge actually did write a rap for his final statement. The case involved Eminem being sued, though, so make of that what you will.

Speaking of Slim Shady, one of the comments mentioned him as an example of the difference in how white rap artists (and Motley Crue) and black rap artists are received. Now, to be fair, Eminem was met with a lot of controversy and protests by parents. But then again, he never had the FBI come after him.

I also think it's interesting how some people say that Eminem is the only rapper they care about. I would certainly like to hear their reasons and wonder if they would receive someone like Nas or Rakim.

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EuroBurro from Sweden Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
#10620: Apr 17th 2016 at 1:12:04 PM

[up] I personally don't care for Eminem, and I mostly (rarely) listen to old west coast rap. Haven't heard any white swedish rappers, but the immigrant rap scene here is one I don't like at all. Not because of race, just the strange dialect and the awkward lyrics, that makes the whole thing really narmy.

hellomoto Since: Sep, 2015
#10621: Apr 18th 2016 at 2:51:29 AM

Rap in law used to be racist? Flat "What".

edited 18th Apr '16 2:51:41 AM by hellomoto

MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#10622: Apr 18th 2016 at 5:31:44 PM

I had a thought today about the BLM movement, and why their message is flawed. They'll protest to hell and back over one killing from a cop but a 6-month old baby is killed in a drive-by? Nothing. Being in the Detroit area I see news like that all the time.

Something about that doesn't sit well with me. I can understand the anger at quite honestly very, very suspect killings by police. To quote my buddy from the Army "why don't black lives matter to other black lives?" (he's a black man himself)

I dunno, I don't get it. I'm not trying to bash anything, just kinda wondering aloud.

edited 18th Apr '16 5:32:16 PM by MarkVonLewis

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#10623: Apr 18th 2016 at 5:34:23 PM

Who are they meant to protect when it's a gang drive-by shooting? They can't exactly go stage a protest outside the local gang HQ, can they?

Plus does the guy who killed the baby normally get away with it? If the guy gets caught and tried there's not much to protest over, but when they guy gets away scott free there's plenty to protest about.

edited 18th Apr '16 5:35:39 PM by Silasw

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MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#10624: Apr 18th 2016 at 5:37:57 PM

Police believe it was a retaliation to another shooting recently. If they should protest anything, it's the violence black men commit on other black men.

I dunno. Like I said, it was just idle wonderings.

edited 18th Apr '16 5:39:39 PM by MarkVonLewis

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#10625: Apr 18th 2016 at 5:40:44 PM

And how do they protest that? Who do they march against? What names do they have that they can call to be jailed?

Protesting X organisation works because X organisation is a group that can be focused upon and called out, protesting a concept is a lot harder then that.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

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