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First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.

With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.

First, a few starter questions.

  • How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
  • Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
    • Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
  • Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
  • Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?

Also, a personal question from me.

  • Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?

edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#10451: Mar 21st 2016 at 9:41:12 PM

It took me a while to come to terms with Wagner racism and not let his anti-semitism let in the way of appreciating his music.

But as of late, I've been looking for martial industrial groups and music scores, most of them hardly bothered me but a few of them glorify fascism, including the blatant racism.

I particularly enjoyed the works of a group called Blood Soil, but by taking a look at their facebook profile I found that their fascist iconography wasn't there for the Rule of Cool they are actually pretty damn racism and homophobic.

While I don't like their ideology I really enjoy their music, but pulling the Death of the Author is getting a bit hard when people can mistake you for another fascist due to your music tastes.

edited 21st Mar '16 9:44:48 PM by AngelusNox

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#10452: Mar 21st 2016 at 11:26:02 PM

Kinda hard trying to remain at a distance these days, everything can be politicized, even personal taste. Personally I genuinely don't care in my media consumption to be ideologically pure, no one should have to(in my opinion). Expecting personal taste to tell us about character is a pointless excercise in sniffing out 'the hypocrite'.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#10453: Mar 22nd 2016 at 8:47:10 AM

I didn't know Richard Wagner was an antisemite- then again a lot of people were anti Semitic in those days

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#10454: Mar 22nd 2016 at 9:14:45 AM

[up] Wagner was bad, even for his era. It didn't help that he had an ego the size of Germany.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#10456: Mar 26th 2016 at 6:15:59 PM

He wasn't threatening, he was planning to, he had a bomb and everything.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#10457: Mar 26th 2016 at 7:11:24 PM

[up][up] It's really comforting to know how little my life is valued. sad

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#10458: Mar 26th 2016 at 7:34:44 PM

Even with the guilty plea he should be locked up for way longer if the "suspicious device" proved to be a credible threat.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#10459: Mar 27th 2016 at 5:39:50 AM

Why isn't he in Guantanamo?

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#10460: Mar 27th 2016 at 5:43:19 AM

Take a guess.

Oh really when?
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#10461: Mar 27th 2016 at 6:12:32 AM

Because Obama stopped new inmates being sent there years ago?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#10462: Mar 27th 2016 at 6:22:05 AM

Thanks, Obama.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Nettacki Since: Jan, 2010
#10463: Mar 30th 2016 at 12:14:15 PM

A video's going viral showing what they believe is a staff member verbally assaulting a white student for wearing dreadlocks and claiming it's cultural appropriation.

The student later reacts to the incident in this video:

Who was in the right here, if any?

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#10464: Mar 30th 2016 at 12:20:56 PM

Nearly every culture on earth did have dreadlocks at one point or another as some sort of fashion statement.

So her claim of cultural appropriation is not only void but also shows sings of not knowing what cultural appropriation is, that along assaulting both the student and the camera in the end of the video.

She's an idiot and his response was quite civil.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#10465: Mar 30th 2016 at 3:02:42 PM

"It's time to talk about 'Black Privilege'".

Okay now this ridiculous. It's true that there are bad apples within the progressive community who misuse the notion of "white privilege" and muddy what exactly it means to have it, but if you wanna talk about actual supposed privileges black Americans may have over other groups at least bring up the relative invisibility of other non-black minorities in US racial discourse, such Chris Rock's Oscars speech or the various problems Native Americans living on reservations continue to face. Which if you ask me isn't really a privilege when you consider exactly why black activism is so loud in the first place.

edited 30th Mar '16 3:04:51 PM by AlleyOop

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#10466: Mar 30th 2016 at 3:06:11 PM

Namely, because racism kills.

Not as much as smoking, but it definitely kills.

And when it doesn't, it doesn't make you stronger.

It makes you miserable.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#10467: Mar 30th 2016 at 3:58:39 PM

[up][up][up][up]If nothing else, she had no right to physically interfere with him.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#10468: Mar 30th 2016 at 4:42:49 PM

I'm not sure appropriation is even the right term. If people wanna talk about society's double standard against black versus white people with the same dreadlock hairstyle that's completely fine, but unless dreadlocks have an exclusive cultural significance that's being misrepresented when white people wear it, it's not "appropriation" any more than it is for white people to wear gray hoodies.

hellomoto Since: Sep, 2015
#10469: Mar 30th 2016 at 8:45:20 PM

He was assaulted 'for' 'appropriation'. It wasn't even appropriation, but the assaulter thought it was.

Wait, is that a woman hitting a man?

edited 30th Mar '16 8:46:33 PM by hellomoto

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#10470: Mar 30th 2016 at 8:45:58 PM

This just seems to me like a lot of misplaced anger.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#10472: Mar 31st 2016 at 9:55:34 AM

I don't know about racist. It would be more like.... nationalist? Country-ist? I guess it could apply to Afro-Irishman dissing Anglo-Africans.

TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#10473: Mar 31st 2016 at 12:50:20 PM

It says a lot about how attitudes have changed in the last thirty or so years that issues involving the Irish aren't considered "racist" anymore, when they would have been back then.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#10474: Mar 31st 2016 at 1:02:19 PM

Racism tends to apply not just to actual racial groups, otherwise Anglo-American progoganda against Germany in WW 1/2 wouldn't be racist, as you're dealing with the same Saxon/Anglo-Saxon racial group even within in the wider racial group of "white people".

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

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