First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
Frankly, after having seen the kind of extremes some hipsters can go to for the sake of doing something ironically (I TOLD YOU ABOUT STAIRS, BRO!), I can understand how the defense may have instilled just enough doubt that it might have felt like reasonable doubt.
"It still counts as a crime even if you didn't mean any of it" would set a terrible precedent for actual satire.
But still.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.You mean like showing up high as a kite on a literal trunkload of illicit substances to a federal Anti-Drug convention?
edited 24th Feb '16 1:32:16 PM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.White Supremacists putting out pro-Trump robocalls
In a recording of the robocall sent to TPM, American National Super PAC founder William Daniel Johnson calls on white Americans to brush aside their fears of being branded as racist and stop the “gradual genocide against the white race” by electing Trump.
“The white race is dying out in America and Europe because we are afraid to be called ‘racist,’” Johnson says in the recording, which will be pushed out Wednesday in Vermont and Thursday in Minnesota. Voters in both states will head to the polls on Super Tuesday to vote in the Republican presidential primary.
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The American National Super PAC makes this call to support Donald Trump. I am William Johnson, a farmer and white nationalist.
The white race is dying out in America and Europe because we are afraid to be called “racist.” This is our mindset: It’s okay that our government destroys our children’s future, but don’t call me racist. I am afraid to be called racist. It’s okay to give away our country through immigration, but don’t call me racist. It’s okay that few schools anymorehave beautiful white children as the majority, but don’t call me racist. Gradual genocide against the white race is okay, but don’t call me racist. I am afraid to be called racist. Donald Trump is not a racist, but Donald Trump is not afraid.
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... wow. Just... wow. (Cross posted from US Politics.)
| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |I believe it is still ignorance.
Ignorance perpetrated from grandma and grandpa that was not defeated because of poor access to education and still effective if unofficial segregation. What methods do people who are poor and culturally uneducated have to learn about other races other than the stringent stereotypes they perpetrate themselves, and wihout the ability to question it, then they are genuinely offended by any perceived affront to their beliefs.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesTheir ignorance is deliberate. Racism goes hand in hand with anti intellectualism. They can't be educated because they make the deliberate decision to refuse education.
I live with these people, the options for education and multiculturalism and integration are there and they deliberately seek and destroy them.
You're giving them entirely too much credit. They know exactly what they're doing.
They are a malevolent and proactive force in the America, they're not people sitting in isolation and ignorance.
edited 26th Feb '16 12:19:01 PM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?One of the comments:
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That comment hits the nail on the head, ethnic groups do have differences between them.... I can tell you this first hand considering how fucking tiny I am compared to most of the Americans here, when back home I was pretty average sized, or the fact that our military reduced powder load by 20% compared to NATO standard because the recoil was too much....
What is more important is to relies exceptions exist, and that no one group is inherently better then one another, then to try and argue ethnicity should not be accounted for.
Actually, broadening the ethnicity questions might be better going by what she was saying in the opening, accounting for mixed backgrounds, and more specific backgrounds would allow for more accuracy then just broad groups.
Thats a fault of the categories being too broad and making assumptionsnote though, rather then there existence themselves.
edited 7th Mar '16 10:08:31 PM by Imca
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The differences are pretty obvious here. Biological differences do not relate to mental differences or behavioral ones.
In the vein of this, I suggest reading Guns, Germs and Steel, by Jared Diamond, as it is a book that delves deeply into this subject specifically. I have not seen that video (I am at work as I type this) but essentially, yes, saying "we are all the same" is a statement that does not refer to the biological bits, but in the behavioral, emotional, and intellectual levels, and conflating them is just missing the point entirely.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
The video was claiming that we were all the same biologically, which is where I take issue, well more accurately it claimed that ethnicity has no correlation at all to biological differences, which I still take issue with.
However I fully agree biological differences do not relate to mental differences or behavioral ones, and I also know for a fact that exceptions to the bell curves exist.
edited 8th Mar '16 11:11:08 AM by Imca
Yes, but again it is the implicit subject that we are dealing with social, cultural and intellectual differences. The sickle cell disease being located in a region of the world, or people who came from that region of the world, and several other biological studies more than suffice to point the obvious: That there are inherent biological differences in our bodies that, depending on race, can make us more or less propense to certain phenotypes or genotypes.
But the frame of the discussionis the sociocultural and behavioral one and as a matter of fact, short of medical examinations and a few other examples (Llike the NATO one you mentioned), we really are the same.
Trying to take the conversation out of its sociocultural context into a biological, strictly medical one, is sorta deraling it with a choosy nitpick that ultimately gives no useful information on the subject
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

Political satire?
He could have also said "YOUTUBE VIDEO PRANK EXPERIMENT" and gotten away with it, apparently
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes