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First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.

With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.

First, a few starter questions.

  • How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
  • Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
    • Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
  • Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
  • Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?

Also, a personal question from me.

  • Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?

edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#10201: Jan 25th 2016 at 9:45:22 AM

Depends on the skill of whoever's wife was responsible for making the damned things:

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#10202: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:58:15 AM

Well you could cosplay as one of the Papal Brigades from Hellsing on one.

[1]note 

edited 25th Jan '16 10:59:24 AM by AngelusNox

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#10203: Jan 25th 2016 at 11:01:28 AM

They are more based on the capirotes worn by some priests in Spain during the Easter celebrations

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#10204: Jan 25th 2016 at 11:05:08 AM

[up][up][up]one of my favorite scene in that movie, it almost made me feel pity for those poor bastards...almost.

[up][up]Yeah, I need to learn that too

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#10205: Jan 25th 2016 at 4:51:18 PM

My point of view comes from cleaning out closets for dead relatives. It's not that uncommon to just dump all the clothes in a garbage bag and drop them off at the nearest second hand store. There can be so much stuff that you don't even have the energy to go through it piece by piece. If the robe was in the middle of a bunch of dresses on a pole, it might just have gotten grabbed with all the dresses and shoved in a bag without being noticed because you don't go through every piece of clothing. You can't and stay sane.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#10206: Jan 25th 2016 at 11:40:13 PM

The BBC: Business trip man 'deported from US because of skin colour'

A man on a business trip to the US says he was held for 13 hours "with little food or water" then thrown out of the country because of his skin colour. Amreet Surana, who works for a UK security company, was held in Detroit while trying to catch a connecting flight to the firm's branch in Arizona.

He said officials treated him "like dirt" then concluded he was an "illegal immigrant denying a US citizen a job". US Customs and Border Protection (CPB) denied racially profiling Mr Surana.

The 24-year-old, from Thurmaston in Leicestershire, said he was stopped when he landed at Detroit Airport from London Heathrow on 17 January and then sent to be interviewed by immigration officials.

He said he told them he worked as an international business manager for Nottingham-based Octavian, and was visiting its US branch in Phoenix.

He also pointed out he had the correct Electronic System for Travel Authorisation (ESTA) form, which allows citizens of 38 countries, including most of Europe, to travel to the US without a visa.

"In the space of 20 minutes they concluded that I was an illegal immigrant working in America, denying a US citizen a job," Mr Surana said. "I was threatened with fraud, I was threatened with banishment from the USA and imprisonment. You feel dehumanised to the extent that you feel like a piece of dirt on the floor."

He said he was then held for 13 hours, during which time his photograph and fingerprints were taken, and his belongings searched. He was allowed to sleep in an unused interview room, he said, but was given little food or water.

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#10207: Jan 26th 2016 at 7:29:03 AM

I am glad they stopped that british terrorist.

I bet he was bringing something violent, like tea or King's Taxes.

They are such pirates.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#10208: Jan 26th 2016 at 7:55:14 AM

We haven't had King's Taxes since 1952, tea I'll give you. tongue

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#10209: Jan 26th 2016 at 7:56:44 AM

Who isn't "stealing their jobs" at this point?

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#10210: Jan 26th 2016 at 7:57:22 AM

Canadians?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#10212: Jan 26th 2016 at 10:11:23 AM

Only non-white people are stealing jobs from good, hardworking white Americans. Duh.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Imca (Veteran)
#10214: Jan 26th 2016 at 3:49:37 PM

[up] If they were, there would not be near as much unemployment now would there. tongue

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#10215: Jan 26th 2016 at 5:43:37 PM

Even in Rapture, someone has got to clean the toilets.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Sivartis Captionless One from Lubberland, or the Isle of Lazye Since: Apr, 2009
Captionless One
#10217: Jan 26th 2016 at 6:57:13 PM

Amidst the controversy about the racial makeup of Oscar nominees, the Academy, and the US film industry in general, ''Variety'' magazine unveiled a powerful new cover: a white Oscar statuette on a white background, with the message "Shame On Us"

This year, the nation’s battle over identity and inclusion has found a new focus: Hollywood. The tipping point arrived with the Jan. 14 unveiling of Oscar nominees, a list as white as the Social Register, circa 1950. The announcement by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences — revealing that every one of the 20 acting nominees was white, incredibly, for the second consecutive year — has filled the Twitterverse and cable talk shows with outrage, plunging the Academy into crisis. The lack of diversity has dominated the conversation, from the executive suites at Disney to the hallways of CAA.

The 89-year-old motion picture academy is absorbing the brunt of the public disdain. But the fault lies not just in the star-making Oscars, many agreed, but in ourselves. The Hollywood studio hierarchy remains an exclusive club chaired by white men and one white woman. The big talent agencies have almost no minority partners. And the media that cover it all — Variety included — employ only a few people of color.

The Academy Board of Governors met in an emergency session on Jan. 21 to tamp down the uproar before Oscar’s big night on Feb. 28. The group’s president, Cheryl Boone Isaacs, unveiled immediate reforms designed to double the number of women and non-whites in the organization by 2020. Boone Isaacs also announced the Academy would cull from its membership those who have not worked in 10 years, and promised to diversify the overwhelmingly white Board of Governors. Of 51 governors, only Boone Isaacs, an African American, and one other are members of racial minority groups.

“The Academy is going to lead,” Boone Isaacs assured, “and not wait for the industry to catch up.”

But many inside Hollywood concurred that, for the latest furor to provoke real change, more than a rewriting of Academy bylaws would be required.

“As I see it, the Academy Awards is not where the ‘real’ battle is,” wrote the maker of “Chi-Raq.” “It’s in the executive office of the Hollywood studios and TV and cable networks. This is where the gatekeepers decide what gets made and what gets jettisoned. … This is what’s important. Those with ‘the green light’ vote.”

Almost all the voices against the Oscar white-out have been African-Americans. And, yes acclaimed black artists, in films like “Straight Outta Compton,” “Creed,” “Beasts of No Nation” and “Concussion,” went unrecognized. But where were Latinos among the nominees? And what about Asian-American talent? How could many categories, notably for technical achievement, exclude women almost entirely?

It would be a “pigment of the imagination” — as Archie Bunker once liked to say — to believe that the diversity challenge emerged suddenly in 2016, whether within the Academy or the business at large.

But the Oscars always reflect the industry, and the history of Hollywood is largely one of white men. In the 88 years of Academy Awards, there have been 433 nominations for director. Only three have gone to African-Americans, or less than 1%. Seven noms have been given to Latinos (including the three recently to Alejandro G. Inarritu, most recently for “The Revenant”); six to Asians (with half of those nabbed by Ang Lee) and four to women. Combined, all of these acknowledgments account for less than 5% of the total nominees.

The picture in the cinematography category is similarly monochromatic, with 589 films nominated, and only 22 nominations going to non-whites — a total that would be considerably more paltry were it not for the 10 earned by the late Chinese-American cinematographer James Wong Howe. A woman has never been nominated for the cinematography prize.

This is to say nothing of other groups such as Native Americans and the disabled, who are also under-represented compared with their numbers in the country’s population.

There are at least 56 million Americans with disabilities, noted Deborah Calla, chair of two diversity groups within the Producers Guild of America, “but it’s the minority that nobody talks about.” Said Alex Nogales, president-CEO of the National Hispanic Media Coalition: “Latino actors should be standing up and saying, ‘We’re being excluded; there’s no balance.’ We need to be much more assertive. We need our artists to be bullish about this.”

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Sharysa Since: Jan, 2001
#10218: Jan 26th 2016 at 7:55:29 PM

Another joke about the "brown people are stealing our white American jobs" is how either hypocritical or naive they are. People constantly say that immigrants are stealing jobs, but the mainstream media doesn't really touch on the TYPE OF JOBS that immigrants usually have. If they're hypocritical, they just want immigrants out of the country and this is mostly an excuse for racism, but more often people don't even know what kind of jobs the immigrants are "stealing."

A whole lot of immigrants are working jobs that "hardworking Americans" DON'T ACTUALLY WANT TO DO. Car repair and maintenance, cleaning, agricultural labor, restaurant/food-related grunt work, and construction/landscaping. All of that is a killer on your body and it's frequently under-the-table depending on whether they're an illegal immigrant, speak fluent English, or if they're a minor. So the employers don't have to pay them minimum wage, give them sick leave, or basically do anything that legal employees would have.

I fucking dare a right-wing conservative to look at those work conditions for a day and keep saying that immigrants are stealing American jobs. "Stealing" would mean that someone actually wanted something.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#10219: Jan 26th 2016 at 8:04:56 PM

It's been joked over here that immigrants are stealing jobs, from past generations of immigrants. So the Polish steal for the South Asians, whole stole from the Carrabian migrants, who stole from the Irish, with the Irish having originally stollen the jobs from the Brits.

edited 26th Jan '16 8:05:30 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#10221: Jan 26th 2016 at 9:15:19 PM

What the hell demanark? Just....what the hell?

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#10222: Jan 26th 2016 at 9:21:47 PM

It's far from the first country to do it. Germany and Switzerland are both doing it to (yep, the Swiss and the Germans are taking the valuables of undesirable minorities that are being put in camps, the parallel has been made) with the Swiss in some cases putting the refuges out on the street afterwards due to overcrowding.

edited 26th Jan '16 9:22:56 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#10223: Jan 27th 2016 at 4:22:50 PM

White actor cast to play Michael Jackson. Controversy ensues.

I imagine that casting someone to portray an older Michael Jackson in anything would be a pain due to his vitiligo, so this isn't surprising. I don't think these people realize that a huge amount of makeup would be involved regardless of the actor's skin color. For example (go to about 1:51):

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#10224: Jan 27th 2016 at 5:29:44 PM

It's a pain but still... kinda cringeworthy to do it. Feels a bit disrespectful to me.

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SilentlyHonest Since: Oct, 2011
#10225: Jan 27th 2016 at 5:32:04 PM

I would not have any problem with it if it didn't happen immediately after this whole controversy with the Oscars and no diversity.

It seems like it's in very poor taste. But I don't care I won't watch the movie.


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