First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
@ Jovian: Then if you follow that logic, considering Rock's Blues basis, then shouldn't Blacks try to take back Rock, even Death Metal?
Native Jovian: If it was JUST rap then yeah, I'd see your point, but often the issue is that EVERYTHING will be either taken or mocked and no support will be given.
It's not so much "you rap and you don't support black lives matter, racist." it's "you take our language and slang, you make fun of our hairstyles, you make fun of our clothing, you make fun of our names, you ignore us when we say we have problems, you will go leaps and bounds ahead to justify why it's ok for you to use the n-word, and then you profit off of the music that originated from us and you wonder why we criticize you?"
Read my stories!I know a lot of amateur/less mainstream rappers do. Don't think mackles has yet.
Eminem said it once in a live performance, and that generated controversy. I'd look up more rappers to check, but I don't know that many tbh.
Oh and Iggy has not but apparently wants to, as I found an article in 2014 about her saying she should be able to say it, albeit with the "a" ending as opposed to the "r" ending.
edited 22nd Jan '16 9:41:04 AM by MrAHR
Read my stories!
Weird consider Eminem is like south park of rapper when it come to mockery.
In fact, didnt he face problems at the time because black rappers bullying about doing rap? I remenber Ja rule dissing about it in one of his song(granted, Ja rule is hack but that is another thing)
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
He did a good run on Law And Order Special Victims Unit for a while though, Ice-T and Munch were the main reasons why I kept watching the series.
edited 22nd Jan '16 10:27:14 AM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesPersonally, I'd say it's dumb to write off an entire genre of any art-form. I mean, genres are what you get when you try to fit the entirety of artistic expression in a specific medium into a dozen or so categories. They're huge, diverse things. There's going to be stuff you like somewhere in them, even if you haven't found it yet.
What's precedent ever done for us?I don't write off all of it. Just most of it. I like the Gorillaz. Besides, it's easier to write off something when yore surrounded by people that play it loudly and constantly at all hours. Because then it's not writing iff, it's listening to the BS and consciously deciding "this sucks".
The Blog The Artrap used to be good while it was protest music, Sound of Da Police is a classic, but these days, especially with "gansta" rap being the big selling genre, it's just a shadow of its former self, instead of standing up to racism and unjust authority, it encourages the negative stereotypes, violence, gang membership, homophobia, misogyny and the objectification of women in general
advancing the front into TV TropesMy advice is check it out before you dismiss, just because it's managed to reach semi-mainstream appeal, which is something rap doesn't often do.
Read my stories!From what I've talked to people in real life, and some information diffusion online, I know cultural appropriation is connected to bullshit people who freak out on it, but I'm sure there has to be some case where it's actually meaningful and... appropriate to call for "cultural appropriation". I don't know too many of, though.
I mean, I haven't seen many arguments pro and con cultural appropriation, but the ones against it seem more reasonable to me. "Culture isn't a property", "black people are opressed for celebrating black culture, so the solution is obviously to prevent everyone from celebrating black culture", etc. Furthermore, I've seen anti-copyright and anti-religious privilege arguments that, despite the fact that I also don't have an informed opinion on those two topics, also apply, in my view, to cultural appropriation and thus could strenghten one's opinion as against it. By the way, I say "in favor" and "against" cultural appropriation, but I don't necessarily mean the concept itself, only the cases of cultural appropriation I've seen pointed out. Which is why I don't have a solid opinion on the topic yet.
EDIT: I'm not sure if I was clear on this post that I know cultural appropriation as a historical development of cultures exchanging ideas and stuff too.
edited 22nd Jan '16 2:13:00 PM by Victin
On that note, listen to this song (NSFW warning due to language and obscene gestures):
Now, let's see how many people can guess what country this band is from, just from listening to this song.
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It's an Australian band.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)![]()
I'm going to assume they are not Irish, and it's not a trick question and they're from all around the world. Russia? Although their accent sounds closer to North American or Canadian than Russian to me.
EDIT: Ahh, forgot that country existed XP Damn you educational system for never talking about Oceania! *shakes fist*
edited 22nd Jan '16 2:30:00 PM by Victin

Rap music is silly.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes