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First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.

With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.

First, a few starter questions.

  • How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
  • Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
    • Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
  • Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
  • Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?

Also, a personal question from me.

  • Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?

edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#10101: Jan 22nd 2016 at 8:37:00 AM

Rap music is silly.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#10102: Jan 22nd 2016 at 8:44:04 AM

@ Jovian: Then if you follow that logic, considering Rock's Blues basis, then shouldn't Blacks try to take back Rock, even Death Metal? [lol]

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#10103: Jan 22nd 2016 at 9:01:43 AM

We should, better than keeping rap and hip hop alive.

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#10104: Jan 22nd 2016 at 9:25:59 AM

Native Jovian: If it was JUST rap then yeah, I'd see your point, but often the issue is that EVERYTHING will be either taken or mocked and no support will be given.

It's not so much "you rap and you don't support black lives matter, racist." it's "you take our language and slang, you make fun of our hairstyles, you make fun of our clothing, you make fun of our names, you ignore us when we say we have problems, you will go leaps and bounds ahead to justify why it's ok for you to use the n-word, and then you profit off of the music that originated from us and you wonder why we criticize you?"

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#10105: Jan 22nd 2016 at 9:36:15 AM

Is there any white rapper who uses nigger?

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#10106: Jan 22nd 2016 at 9:37:28 AM

I know a lot of amateur/less mainstream rappers do. Don't think mackles has yet.

Eminem said it once in a live performance, and that generated controversy. I'd look up more rappers to check, but I don't know that many tbh.

Oh and Iggy has not but apparently wants to, as I found an article in 2014 about her saying she should be able to say it, albeit with the "a" ending as opposed to the "r" ending.

edited 22nd Jan '16 9:41:04 AM by MrAHR

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#10107: Jan 22nd 2016 at 9:42:26 AM

[up]Weird consider Eminem is like south park of rapper when it come to mockery.

In fact, didnt he face problems at the time because black rappers bullying about doing rap? I remenber Ja rule dissing about it in one of his song(granted, Ja rule is hack but that is another thing)

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#10108: Jan 22nd 2016 at 10:22:36 AM

Eminem is authentic white trash.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#10109: Jan 22nd 2016 at 10:22:47 AM

@Mousa if that means Ice-T will be back on his Body Count project I am all for it.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#10110: Jan 22nd 2016 at 10:24:19 AM

Ice T is still on Earth? I thought he had left after the Schwifty incident?

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#10111: Jan 22nd 2016 at 10:26:33 AM

[up]He did a good run on Law And Order Special Victims Unit for a while though, Ice-T and Munch were the main reasons why I kept watching the series.

edited 22nd Jan '16 10:27:14 AM by AngelusNox

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#10112: Jan 22nd 2016 at 10:30:02 AM

Not a fan of Rapnote , to say the least.

edited 22nd Jan '16 10:30:30 AM by Greenmantle

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#10113: Jan 22nd 2016 at 10:40:21 AM

@Nox, Handle is making a Rick and Morty joke.

Also I can't finish that vid right now but dear god that was pretty awesome.

[up]Same, Bane of my existence and sound of choice of those that bullied and ostracized me growing up.

edited 22nd Jan '16 10:42:16 AM by MousaThe14

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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#10114: Jan 22nd 2016 at 10:46:55 AM

Personally, I'd say it's dumb to write off an entire genre of any art-form. I mean, genres are what you get when you try to fit the entirety of artistic expression in a specific medium into a dozen or so categories. They're huge, diverse things. There's going to be stuff you like somewhere in them, even if you haven't found it yet.

What's precedent ever done for us?
MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#10115: Jan 22nd 2016 at 10:51:22 AM

I don't write off all of it. Just most of it. I like the Gorillaz. Besides, it's easier to write off something when yore surrounded by people that play it loudly and constantly at all hours. Because then it's not writing iff, it's listening to the BS and consciously deciding "this sucks".

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FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#10116: Jan 22nd 2016 at 10:58:22 AM

rap used to be good while it was protest music, Sound of Da Police is a classic, but these days, especially with "gansta" rap being the big selling genre, it's just a shadow of its former self, instead of standing up to racism and unjust authority, it encourages the negative stereotypes, violence, gang membership, homophobia, misogyny and the objectification of women in general

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#10117: Jan 22nd 2016 at 10:59:57 AM

Hamilton's mostly rap, isn't it? That's been pretty popular across the board.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#10118: Jan 22nd 2016 at 11:03:25 AM

I don't see anything wrong with writing off a genre if you don't like the music style of that genre. I hate rap and country because I think both sound annoying.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#10119: Jan 22nd 2016 at 11:07:31 AM

@AHR, Is it? Shame, I was hoping to see it one day.

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#10120: Jan 22nd 2016 at 11:10:00 AM

My advice is check it out before you dismiss, just because it's managed to reach semi-mainstream appeal, which is something rap doesn't often do.

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#10121: Jan 22nd 2016 at 11:15:29 AM

I was being vaguely facetious anyway, I want to see it regardless.

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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#10122: Jan 22nd 2016 at 2:10:43 PM

From what I've talked to people in real life, and some information diffusion online, I know cultural appropriation is connected to bullshit people who freak out on it, but I'm sure there has to be some case where it's actually meaningful and... appropriate to call for "cultural appropriation". I don't know too many of, though.

I mean, I haven't seen many arguments pro and con cultural appropriation, but the ones against it seem more reasonable to me. "Culture isn't a property", "black people are opressed for celebrating black culture, so the solution is obviously to prevent everyone from celebrating black culture", etc. Furthermore, I've seen anti-copyright and anti-religious privilege arguments that, despite the fact that I also don't have an informed opinion on those two topics, also apply, in my view, to cultural appropriation and thus could strenghten one's opinion as against it. By the way, I say "in favor" and "against" cultural appropriation, but I don't necessarily mean the concept itself, only the cases of cultural appropriation I've seen pointed out. Which is why I don't have a solid opinion on the topic yet.

EDIT: I'm not sure if I was clear on this post that I know cultural appropriation as a historical development of cultures exchanging ideas and stuff too.

edited 22nd Jan '16 2:13:00 PM by Victin

TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#10123: Jan 22nd 2016 at 2:18:02 PM

On that note, listen to this song (NSFW warning due to language and obscene gestures):

Now, let's see how many people can guess what country this band is from, just from listening to this song.

...

...

It's an Australian band.

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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#10125: Jan 22nd 2016 at 2:29:06 PM

[up][up]I'm going to assume they are not Irish, and it's not a trick question and they're from all around the world. Russia? Although their accent sounds closer to North American or Canadian than Russian to me.

EDIT: Ahh, forgot that country existed XP Damn you educational system for never talking about Oceania! *shakes fist*

edited 22nd Jan '16 2:30:00 PM by Victin


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