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juancarlos Faith in the self. Since: Mar, 2012
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#76: May 30th 2011 at 9:23:12 AM

I think that retooling the thing is for the best.

If it was for me, we'd be going for full deletion, but even I know that not everybody agrees, and, OTOH, if we keep it how it is, then it's simply a waste of server space. It doesn't help illustrate tropes any better than a page on main and it's just a troll bait so big and juicy that I seriously think that few, if any of them, are sincere.

Personally, I don't give a damn if people don't like us. I belive that rep counts, yes, if something matters to the community, then it shall be considered, but that's hardly the most important reason to retool TT...at least, IMO

edited 30th May '11 9:23:56 AM by juancarlos

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#77: May 30th 2011 at 9:25:55 AM

As far as the administration is concerned, this is because all the wrangling and brangling and fussing and fooforaw over Troper Tales is sucking up enormous amounts of time and energy, at the expense of the main purpose of the wiki.

All the fussing is going on largely because there is a group of very vocal people who are deeply, deeply concerned with what is being said about Troper Tales on other sites.

LeonardoFibonacci Since: Jul, 2010
#78: May 30th 2011 at 9:30:10 AM

As far as names go, I like Meanwhile In Reality; we could also do Just The Other Day or some such thing along those lines. I don't see why we have to have "Troper" in the name; it's not like, say, WMG is totally indicative of the contents.

EnglishIvy Since: Aug, 2011
#79: May 30th 2011 at 9:32:57 AM

[up][up] We are also deeply, deeply concerned with what they are doing to the site, apart of what others think.

edited 30th May '11 9:34:26 AM by EnglishIvy

Miijhal Since: Jul, 2011
#80: May 30th 2011 at 9:37:26 AM

Honestly, I'm also worried about the users Troper Tales attracts. I've seen on at least three cases users whose sole contributions were nonsensical/bile-filled Troper Tales entries.

That said, I think the problem isn't that it exists. There's a value in them existing, and in theory, Troper Tales isn't a bad idea. It's just gotten so bloated that it's almost impossible to actually keep clean. I spent an hour doing cleanup last night without even remotely denting it.

On that note, a way to report or delete individual edits would help a lot with the bile/fiction/creepy sex fantasies.

edited 30th May '11 9:45:04 AM by Miijhal

allotroper Since: Jan, 2011
#81: May 30th 2011 at 10:09:31 AM
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juancarlos Faith in the self. Since: Mar, 2012
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#82: May 30th 2011 at 10:15:18 AM
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#83: May 30th 2011 at 10:18:18 AM
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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#84: May 30th 2011 at 10:19:30 AM

<Mod Hat ON>

This thread is not the place to argue about what's wrong with Troper Tales, or why there's nothing wrong with Troper Tales, or what's wrong with the way the site is being run.

It's a thread to make your feeling about the proposal on the table now known.

Stay on the topic.

<Mod Hat OFF>

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#85: May 30th 2011 at 10:35:51 AM

I don't like the rename, if it's trying to stop natter, ^ will be your worst enemy. Also if a TT has to be signed people can just say the name of the person they're addressing.

TT is basically So Bad, It's Good right now, I don't see how a wipe n new format will change that. Plus that guy who broke those pencils? He could come back man. Angry.

edited 30th May '11 10:36:59 AM by thatguythere47

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Mandemo Since: Apr, 2010
#86: May 30th 2011 at 10:36:18 AM

Okay, got back. So, looked up what "Anecdote" ment.

No. Just... No.

Why? Because it implie(atleast when translated to finnish) a joke. Perhaps based on real life, but not real event.

Going to suggest Meanwhile In Reality again, altough it might be too long. Tropers Tales is pretty good so I see no reason excatly why to change it. Tropers tell their tales, why use more complicated words than needed? Seriously, which one is easier to non-native english speaker to remember? Tropers Anecdote or Tropers Tales?

juancarlos Faith in the self. Since: Mar, 2012
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#87: May 30th 2011 at 10:38:25 AM

Anecdotes are not jokes...they are everyday's life stories.

Also, as a non-native English speaker myself, I must say that both of them work for me. I don't think that the name is the issue, to be perfectly honest. I suggest we focus first on the redesign aspect.

edited 30th May '11 10:39:27 AM by juancarlos

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#88: May 30th 2011 at 10:39:34 AM

Meanwhile In Reality, sounds like a good name... for a trope, not a subwiki. If we're going for maximum clarity Personal Examples will do.

[up]I think Anecdote can mean both of those, at least that's how it's used in my native language.

edited 30th May '11 10:40:50 AM by Killomatic

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Nyarly Das kann doch nicht sein! from Saksa Since: Feb, 2012
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#89: May 30th 2011 at 10:47:28 AM

@thatguythere: That's why TT needs to be better monitored this time. The experience with the current one surely taught that. With a reboot it would work better than trying to "repair" the loads and loads of current TTs.

Anecdote would work for me too and I don't have any problems remembering it. Granted, the German word is very similar...

edited 30th May '11 10:47:52 AM by Nyarly

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Angeldog2437 from New York Since: Jun, 2010
#90: May 30th 2011 at 10:48:24 AM

I'm not a fan of renaming it, although I'm curious about the new format. Also, will we still be able to see (but not edit) the archives?

KrisMahai Hm? Since: Jan, 2013
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#91: May 30th 2011 at 10:49:46 AM

^ I'm pretty sure, yeah. You'll be able to see them no matter what, but it's your choice as to whether or not you want to move them over to the new system.

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juancarlos Faith in the self. Since: Mar, 2012
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#92: May 30th 2011 at 10:52:21 AM

I think Anecdote can mean both of those, at least that's how it's used in my native language.

No, see, an anecdote can be a funny story/joke, but, by definition, it isn't. At least, not necessarily.

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INUH Since: Jul, 2009
#93: May 30th 2011 at 10:52:56 AM

Because it implie(atleast when translated to finnish) a joke. Perhaps based on real life, but not real event.
That's not quite right. The complete definition is:
A short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.
So really, the only requirements are that it actually happened and someone thinks it's worth mentioning. The first part was always required for Troper Tales and the second is just common sense.

edited 30th May '11 10:53:23 AM by INUH

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#94: May 30th 2011 at 10:53:25 AM

What would be the point of an archive you can't see? More importantly, will we be able to edit and/or delete other people's posts?

[up][up]Yeah, I suspected it was a case of You Keep Using That Word.

edited 30th May '11 10:55:48 AM by Killomatic

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Nyarly Das kann doch nicht sein! from Saksa Since: Feb, 2012
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#95: May 30th 2011 at 10:54:27 AM

Of course, opinions differ on what is worth mentioning and what not...

People aren't as awful as the internet makes them out to be.
Angeldog2437 from New York Since: Jun, 2010
#96: May 30th 2011 at 10:54:56 AM

[up]x5 Well, that's good.

So why are we renaming Troper Tales again? Something about "this troper"s?

edited 30th May '11 10:56:24 AM by Angeldog2437

nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#97: May 30th 2011 at 11:01:16 AM

If anyone cares, here is the original YKTTW.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#98: May 30th 2011 at 11:04:22 AM

I'm not particularly fond of the new idea in part because it's going to be essentially making it impossible to use for the one purpose that I really like Troper Tales for. The whole reason that I like Troper Tales is as a place to collect gaming examples that otherwise don't fit on the main pages. This conversion would chop them off the site entirely.

It will also make them much much harder to police and maintain because we won't be easily able to edit other people's post and just delete the bits that go into too much detail or easily delete bad posts. I can't think of any way that this wouldn't make them more of a hive of unmoderated scum.

What you're proposing is cutting off the good parts of Troper Tales and leaving all the bad bits.

edited 30th May '11 11:08:11 AM by shimaspawn

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#99: May 30th 2011 at 11:07:59 AM

^ How will it remove gaming examples? I'm not following your reasoning. Here's what's actually proposed,, (as opposed to what some folks are reacting to or assuming will happen):

Troper Tales will move to a new format. Any troper will be able to add a new entry, just like in the current discussion system, but there won't be a reply function. This will solve the unsigned Troper Tales problem and the Natter problem.

Coinciding with the launch of the new system, Troper Tales will get a new name to better reflect its purpose. What will the new name be? You all have a week to come up with cool ideas before we make the crowner.

What will happen to the old Troper Tales?

They will be archived in a manner similar to the old discussion pages. You are encouraged to move your own tales (and only your own tales) to the new page when it's available.

edited 30th May '11 11:11:04 AM by Madrugada

TehFireShark Since: Nov, 2010
#100: May 30th 2011 at 11:09:11 AM

You know what? I know it's too late for this to make a difference, but you guys are simultaneously saying that there's nothing wrong with Troper Tales, and that everything is wrong with it. If what is being accepted does not change, there's no reason to assume these annoying little changes of format will make a difference. Nearly every Troper Tales page I have read stayed on topic, and when I see a nonsensical or unrelated post, I remove it.

I also firmly value the concept of anonymity. Forcing everyone to sign won't change anything.


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