As far as the administration is concerned, this is because all the wrangling and brangling and fussing and fooforaw over Troper Tales is sucking up enormous amounts of time and energy, at the expense of the main purpose of the wiki.
All the fussing is going on largely because there is a group of very vocal people who are deeply, deeply concerned with what is being said about Troper Tales on other sites.
Honestly, I'm also worried about the users Troper Tales attracts. I've seen on at least three cases users whose sole contributions were nonsensical/bile-filled Troper Tales entries.
That said, I think the problem isn't that it exists. There's a value in them existing, and in theory, Troper Tales isn't a bad idea. It's just gotten so bloated that it's almost impossible to actually keep clean. I spent an hour doing cleanup last night without even remotely denting it.
On that note, a way to report or delete individual edits would help a lot with the bile/fiction/creepy sex fantasies.
edited 30th May '11 9:45:04 AM by Miijhal
I don't like the rename, if it's trying to stop natter, ^ will be your worst enemy. Also if a TT has to be signed people can just say the name of the person they're addressing.
TT is basically So Bad, It's Good right now, I don't see how a wipe n new format will change that. Plus that guy who broke those pencils? He could come back man. Angry.
edited 30th May '11 10:36:59 AM by thatguythere47
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?Okay, got back. So, looked up what "Anecdote" ment.
Why? Because it implie(atleast when translated to finnish) a joke. Perhaps based on real life, but not real event.
Going to suggest Meanwhile In Reality again, altough it might be too long. Tropers Tales is pretty good so I see no reason excatly why to change it. Tropers tell their tales, why use more complicated words than needed? Seriously, which one is easier to non-native english speaker to remember? Tropers Anecdote or Tropers Tales?
Anecdotes are not jokes...they are everyday's life stories.
Also, as a non-native English speaker myself, I must say that both of them work for me. I don't think that the name is the issue, to be perfectly honest. I suggest we focus first on the redesign aspect.
edited 30th May '11 10:39:27 AM by juancarlos
"My life is my own" | If you want to contact me privately, please ask first on the forum.Meanwhile In Reality, sounds like a good name... for a trope, not a subwiki. If we're going for maximum clarity Personal Examples will do.
I think Anecdote can mean both of those, at least that's how it's used in my native language.
edited 30th May '11 10:40:50 AM by Killomatic
Regulated fun - the best kind! I don't make the rules, just enforce them with an iron fist.@thatguythere: That's why TT needs to be better monitored this time. The experience with the current one surely taught that. With a reboot it would work better than trying to "repair" the loads and loads of current TTs.
Anecdote would work for me too and I don't have any problems remembering it. Granted, the German word is very similar...
edited 30th May '11 10:47:52 AM by Nyarly
People aren't as awful as the internet makes them out to be.edited 30th May '11 10:53:23 AM by INUH
Infinite Tree: an experimental storyWhat would be the point of an archive you can't see? More importantly, will we be able to edit and/or delete other people's posts?
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Yeah, I suspected it was a case of You Keep Using That Word.
edited 30th May '11 10:55:48 AM by Killomatic
Regulated fun - the best kind! I don't make the rules, just enforce them with an iron fist.I'm not particularly fond of the new idea in part because it's going to be essentially making it impossible to use for the one purpose that I really like Troper Tales for. The whole reason that I like Troper Tales is as a place to collect gaming examples that otherwise don't fit on the main pages. This conversion would chop them off the site entirely.
It will also make them much much harder to police and maintain because we won't be easily able to edit other people's post and just delete the bits that go into too much detail or easily delete bad posts. I can't think of any way that this wouldn't make them more of a hive of unmoderated scum.
What you're proposing is cutting off the good parts of Troper Tales and leaving all the bad bits.
edited 30th May '11 11:08:11 AM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick^ How will it remove gaming examples? I'm not following your reasoning. Here's what's actually proposed,, (as opposed to what some folks are reacting to or assuming will happen):
Coinciding with the launch of the new system, Troper Tales will get a new name to better reflect its purpose. What will the new name be? You all have a week to come up with cool ideas before we make the crowner.
What will happen to the old Troper Tales?
They will be archived in a manner similar to the old discussion pages. You are encouraged to move your own tales (and only your own tales) to the new page when it's available.
edited 30th May '11 11:11:04 AM by Madrugada
You know what? I know it's too late for this to make a difference, but you guys are simultaneously saying that there's nothing wrong with Troper Tales, and that everything is wrong with it. If what is being accepted does not change, there's no reason to assume these annoying little changes of format will make a difference. Nearly every Troper Tales page I have read stayed on topic, and when I see a nonsensical or unrelated post, I remove it.
I also firmly value the concept of anonymity. Forcing everyone to sign won't change anything.

I think that retooling the thing is for the best.
If it was for me, we'd be going for full deletion, but even I know that not everybody agrees, and, OTOH, if we keep it how it is, then it's simply a waste of server space. It doesn't help illustrate tropes any better than a page on main and it's just a troll bait so big and juicy that I seriously think that few, if any of them, are sincere.
Personally, I don't give a damn if people don't like us. I belive that rep counts, yes, if something matters to the community, then it shall be considered, but that's hardly the most important reason to retool TT...at least, IMO
edited 30th May '11 9:23:56 AM by juancarlos
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