...Fuck me, that's almost Sader bad. How did they approve that?
Never forget how Big Boss came up with the name Outer Heaven in the first place.
"What these soldiers want is outside your heaven"
It's so fucking stupid, but I dunno, it kinda works.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"I think it's like, the soldiers can't get into Heaven, so they made their own Heaven. "With blackjack, and hookers!"
Edited by WillKeaton on Sep 2nd 2025 at 12:42:33 PM
It's supposed to be Big Boss's retort towards Gene's proposed Army's Heaven, by basically calling it something soldiers don't want.
There is a theme of Big Boss being influenced by the various villains he encounters on his own way to becoming a villain. It's like how the prequel villains, Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Grievous foreshadow Anakin's own transformation into Darth Vader.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"Big Boss is also a dork and perfectly fine with dorky names for things.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.It's kinda funny how in the end everyone in Metal Gear's universe kinda gets hung up on Big Boss being that larger than life figure who clearly was on to something, when in reality he was closer to an athlete that's really good at his physical sport but actually not that deep and just kind of suffering from a general malaise about existence and bouncing from philosophy to philosophy till he completely lost sight of what little point he might've had to start with.
Big Boss is an interesting case of Dramatic Irony because of the Boss' legacy being what everyone failed to understand being passed down to him.
The Boss wanted world peace and everyone misunderstood that with Zero wanting to make an insane totalitarian conspiracy.
Big Boss didn't particularly care about any goals for soldiers as it was just a job for him and lifestyle.
And everyone assumed that Big Boss had a much greater philosophy when he was literally, 90% of the time, just thinking it'd be nice to have job security. His 'dream' was to run a PMC and not get fucked over by a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 2nd 2025 at 1:50:45 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I mean, by the time of Metal Gear 2, Big Boss had gone full supervillain, training child orphans to be the new soldiers and war crime perpetrators. Sure Big Boss might have been seeking to overthrow the Patriots, but he was going to replace their rule with endless war just so he'd have a purpose, which Snake calls him out on.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 2nd 2025 at 4:57:42 PM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!""I watched First Blood last night, and said, "Yes! This is exactly what it's like trying to go back to "normal life" after a war." So I decided to make a nation for soldiers, by soldiers, where they can be soldiers forever and never have to go back to civilian life."
"I also kidnapped a scientist to create a nuclear equipped walking death tank. That's gonna be my new hobby."
Edited by WillKeaton on Sep 2nd 2025 at 3:23:22 AM
That actually is a plot point, I'd argue. Big Boss doesn't train Child Soldier because he wants to have easily indoctrinated Tyke-Bomb types who will kill at will, it's because he literally assumes it's a healthy reasonable life for a kid. It's how he was raised and assumes its normal like the Boy Scouts (arguably, he is trying to deprogram them without knowledge of how to do so). He's also not trying to overthrow the Patriots, which everyone assumes, because the real Big Boss knows Zero is brain dead.
That was Solidus and Liquid's plans.
Because neither of them really know Big boss. They just know the legend that is as much Venom Snake as Naked Snake.
Indeed, Solid becomes the one who understands him best because he doesn't TRY to know Big Boss. He doesn't care and thus is the only one who wins Big Boss' respect.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 2nd 2025 at 2:21:45 AM
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"I also stole the only chance to solve a resource crisis AND create peace between the Soviet Union and USA so I could plunge the world into war and give my adopted child soldiers their first combat experience."
Yeah, there's a reason Big Boss states if Snake was is in his position, then the latter wouldn't make the same mistakes. And he's right, Metal Gear 1 and 2 is Big Boss inflicting the exact same pain on Snake that he went through in Solid 3.
Snake had nightmares of his experiences in 1 and 2, so there's no wonder he tried putting his past behind him and actually take up hobbies.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 2nd 2025 at 5:23:15 PM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"That is another thing—I'm 90% sure Venom Snake is the Lighter and Softer of the two.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters."I mean look at Ocelot. He was literally born on a battlefield and he's turned out into a very very normal person. Trust me kids it'll build character."
MGSV outright confirms it. It's one of the foreshadowing that he's not Big Boss: He talks about wanting to have peace and move on from all this.
Edited by Ghilz on Sep 2nd 2025 at 5:25:42 AM
Another bit of Dramatic Irony, it's very probable that all of the insane Genome Soldier nonsense fed to Liquid came from Ocelot just fucking with him.
Because as far as Liquid is concerned, Big Boss refused to acknowledge him as a son and rejected him as a protege.
Whereas Venom didn't know the kid from Adam and just thought he was a little psychopath.
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Sure things are vague as shit, but I really do suspect that Big Boss sacrificed Venom Snake in part because Venom wouldn't have gone along with his plans, plus Miller did state he was going to send Big Boss to hell, so Venom MIGHT have been part of that.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 2nd 2025 at 5:28:06 PM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

Glad I didn't fork out the money on the Collector's edition. The diorama wasn't an impressive design to begin with, but after seeing the figure of Naked Snake up close... yeesh.