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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#26: May 28th 2011 at 11:27:42 AM

Correct. Give me a second...

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edited 28th May '11 11:38:34 AM by TotemicHero

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#27: May 28th 2011 at 12:10:57 PM

^ You forgot to actually add an option to vote on. I did it for you.

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#28: May 28th 2011 at 12:12:29 PM

Oooooooooooops. <sheepish face>

Thanks.

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#30: May 28th 2011 at 12:50:58 PM

Just clarifying, it was supposed to be just tropes where the title itself is a spoiler. Like The Hero Dies, Did Not Get the Girl, All Just a Dream. So apparently this crowner is about all spoilers in general? Yeah that seems obviously terrible, I don't think anyone wanted to do that.

EDIT: Found it! Duh, I was looking in Wiki Talk, but it was in Trope Repair Shop...

There was a pretty fair share of support for it.

edited 28th May '11 1:04:41 PM by troacctid

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#31: May 28th 2011 at 1:16:51 PM

There's also a more recent one here.

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#32: May 28th 2011 at 1:21:01 PM

And for reference, the portion of the Spoiler Policy in question:

Some trope titles can be spoilers on their own, so they should be tagged as such. If there are so many of these that the all-white lines hurt the page's appearance, just collect them at the bottom of the page, under a new header. This also helps in further obscuring their content, that could be otherwise guessed from their alphabetic position between other, untagged trope titles.

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#33: May 28th 2011 at 1:21:10 PM

Hmmm, so that's where it was. Let's see..

Well, it is about tropes where the title is a spoiler. At least, that was my impression of what the other people meant by "spoiler tropes". There really are very few tropes where this is inherent. As suggested in the other thread, The Hero Dies doesn't give much away for a Death Is Cheap work like Dragon Ball Z.

Also, in retrospect, TRS was probably the wrong place to make this kind of decision. Should have been in Wiki Talk from the beginning.

And in regard to the "swiss-cheese" thing brought up in the original discussion; if a page does look like that, it doesn't "need" the spoilers - it needs serious repair.

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#34: May 28th 2011 at 7:30:16 PM

Wait, was this all spoilers like Heel–Face Turn, or inherent spoilers like The Bad Guy Wins?

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#35: May 28th 2011 at 7:35:40 PM

If you mean the original TRS thread: it was all tropes that were deemed to be such a spoiler that their name had to be hidden. It was supposed to be decided on a case-by-case basis, and be different for each work.

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#36: May 28th 2011 at 8:11:34 PM

^^ Inherent spoilers, sorry. I'll rephrase the crowner.

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#37: May 28th 2011 at 8:28:36 PM

[up] I suspect it's too late for that...it had 11 nay votes before I even mentioned it.

edited 28th May '11 8:37:59 PM by troacctid

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#38: May 28th 2011 at 8:34:14 PM

It was made clear in the thread what was being talked about, I thought, so I'm not sure if it's that big of a problem.

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#39: May 28th 2011 at 8:36:13 PM

We've seen several times before that people don't read the entire thread before voting. Sometimes they only read the thread title and not even the original post.

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#40: May 28th 2011 at 8:38:47 PM

Hmmm, we might want to do a side project of making an administrativa page about what you should know/do before voting in a crowner.

Sorry, I should have realized people might not find it obvious. My bad.

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#41: May 28th 2011 at 8:42:42 PM

^^ Do you think the crowner needs to be re-run then?

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#42: May 28th 2011 at 9:24:58 PM

maybe.

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#43: May 29th 2011 at 4:41:12 AM

As far as I can tell, the orginal post in this thread really did mean every spoiler at all. I don't think this post was made with knowledge of the previous discussion.

Still opposed to both versions of spoiler segregation.

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#44: May 29th 2011 at 9:06:27 AM

[up] To clarify, me has meant the tropes with spoileriffic (in context of the work) titles.

TheOtherWiki could really use Laconic entries.
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#45: May 29th 2011 at 9:28:41 AM

Still it shouldn't be done this way it's going to get messy if so as the debate on what's what will be harsh as hell as well as some spoiler tropes are not actually spoilers in said works due to various things like Spock Killed Off for Real in Star Trek II was in the trailer so not a spoiler.

Then there are some that hinge on if people watch the series or not like people will not watch a No Ending series and such so they will want that in the non spoiler section there and others will want it in the spoilers section.

We could organize everything in folders like Warhammer 40 K's page so that if you want the various types of tropes so you will only see tropes of a type your looking for so if you see a spoilered plot trope don't be Too Dumb to Live...

edited 29th May '11 9:29:34 AM by Raso

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#46: May 29th 2011 at 2:27:01 PM

[up]What are you talking about? Warhammer 40 K's tropes is organized alphabetically. It has, at most, a separated page of different works under the franchise, but it is still strictly alphabetic ordering.

That being said, I am not averse a better organization in the tropes. For Long-Runners, organizing tropes by arc may be very useful, specially when handling spoilers.

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#47: May 29th 2011 at 2:42:17 PM

Pretty sure separate story arcs is a bad idea. How would we define story arcs anyway? There's really no objective standard we can apply to tell when one begins and one ends, so I'm against that one.

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#48: May 29th 2011 at 5:26:10 PM

[up][up] Sorry apparantly the sandbox wasnt ever made the thread on the subject.

Pages its already on is Gunnerkrigg Court, Neon Genesis Evangelion and then the Arcs thing is done with Buffy The Vampire Slayer.

edited 29th May '11 5:28:43 PM by Raso

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#49: May 29th 2011 at 6:17:43 PM

[up]I see. Now you pointed, I remember the thread. I liked it, but since I have no much knowledge over the subject, I ignored and forget it. Anyway, I am all for this kind of separation.

[up][up]Eh, it depends on the work, but in many cases it is really obvious. And it don't need to have an absolute clean cut point, as long it is organized. If one work don't uses clean cut 'arcs' then go for 'seasons' or whatever is best for that particular work. Naruto(an anime that actually does have clean cut major arcs) separate between 'overall tropes' and 'particular episode tropes', for example.

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#50: May 29th 2011 at 7:59:26 PM

And again, that leaves different work pages looking very different from each other. In fact, it would be even worse than if we were grouping spoilers at the bottom of pages.

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28th May '11 11:32:04 AM

Crown Description:

Should inherently spoiler tropes (Tropes where the very name of the trope is a spoiler for the work, like Bad Guy Wins or The Hero Dies) be grouped up at the bottom of work pages that they are spoilers for?

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