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I think you misunderstood my list. Those reasons are merely tiebreakers, Heatth. They describe my preference. I don't feel they give the Shining one that much of a lead. But I will address them anyway, I'm feeling talkative today:
- I still think it does, although maybe not really applicable here, when objective measures are considered (I elaborated it in the previous post). I just thought that, as a matter of personal taste, for some concepts you just have to use certain iconic images. This for me counts, even before I watched The Shining.
- In short, on a personaly level I prefer iconic images, and I think this counts.
- Most means most. I don't watch much anime, although I was big on it for a very short while. I did read enough level of Japanese comics, or so I think * . And who are we kidding? Only Six Faces is rampant. The article itself says it so. Even Naoki Urasawa, for all his excellent Cast of Snowflakes ability, has a certain formula when it he really wants to make someone cute (Nina, Kanna, even Dr. Tenma). And then we have moe shows. Only Six Faces is here to stay. Tropes Are Not Bad.
- In short, it's reasonable for people to associate Only Six Faces with anime, and that image however slight has traces of that trope.
- I can see it's meant to be creepy. It's not, but it's meant that way.
- In short, I personally find it to be less creepy. So I chose the other.
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I don't exactly find it creepy, Setsuna, but we cannot see that aspect anyway.
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They're not exactly what I had in mind when I think "creepy", but it's a good addition to the table.
edited 28th May '11 1:08:52 PM by Catalogue
The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.We need to decide whether the Shining one counts first. It's not an example in the book, may be an example in the film, it's the only repeated image in GIS' first page results, but may not be an actual instance. Then we can do crowner.
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Well no kidding, you didn't watch the show. Of course you don't find a dry description creepy.
edited 28th May '11 1:21:14 PM by SakurazakiSetsuna
I don't think this matter. We are judging the images, not the characters. For that, the less knowledge the better, for a objective opinion.
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- I don't see how The Shining image is iconic. Probably because I never watched it. Which is why I say 'notability' argument is nil.
- It is not reasonable to associate Only Six Faces to anime, specifically, considering it happens in each and every drawn media. Regardless, I completely disagree it is so rampant as you claim. Even in the most simplistic anime styles, like Dragon Ball, for example, you can actually distinguish most, if not not all, important characters by their faces, even hiding the hair and clothes. Most people won't notice unless pointed, but the shape of eyes, eyebrows, noise and mouths make different faces that help to distinguish the character apart. Furthermore, the face is not only what differentiate one character from another. There is all kind of other design clues, which is why people can tell when two characters are meant to be related or not, even if their faces is just the same as everyone else. This, also is true for western drawn characters. I don't watch/read as much as anime/manga, but I am quite of a fan of Marvel comics, and this is very present there as well.
- Oh, btw, I actually don't watch anime all that much either. I mostly just read it. I am not making difference between anime and manga here
- That is my point. I don't think the Black Lagoon image is all that creepy either. But I find it is much clearly meant to be creepy, therefore being better to illustrate the trope.
edited 28th May '11 1:37:00 PM by Heatth
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Just... It might have been Hype Aversion, or the fact that I only saw a tiny bit of it, but I'm afraid it still seems like it's trying too hard. Not to mention it's based around the trite "calm, collected, charming, seemingly innocuous individuals smiling while administering/implying acts of violence" idea which I suspect has reached the point of overuse. The lines they sung also sounds like a teenager's vision of what would be thought creepy. But maybe, like Orson Scott Card said (no, I don't read him), "no story can survive a hostile reading." Maybe if I put myself in your shoes I can find it chilling. I don't know.
At any rate, that aspect cannot be produced from the image alone, so it's irrelevant. It's better that we stop this digression.
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- I can't really show you how it is iconic, but I have always known that image before I'm even aware it's from The Shining. GIS for 'creepy twins'
yield many of the same image, and if I try to add something to the query it suggests "creepy twins from the shining".
- Afraid I don't really buy that. Of course, most are not at a South Park level of sameness, but they are similar enough it would register like that for a viewer not familiar with the subculture. And so, I think this gives a slight advantage of clarity for the Shining one.
- Yes, I also don't, so we're not misunderstanding each other.
- Fair point. I guess one can make a case for the Black Lagoon picture using that rationale. For me, I find the Shining one actually creepy, so I chose that over the other.
Good addition. Are they supposed to be actual twins though?
edited 28th May '11 1:49:06 PM by Catalogue
The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.
- My point is "being iconic" don't matter, because for whose don't watched it or are not fans of it genre, the whole 'iconicness' is lost. And I am certain most people in the world, if not most people reading this site, never heard of The Shining.
- They may be similar, but you still can tell one from one apart. Specially if we are not taking only the face in count here. Even in South Park, people are able to tell if two characters were meant to be 'identical twins'. You can tell the Black Lagoon twins are twins because they share face, body, hair, clothe style and are together. You may not be able to tell they are twins because they are (apparently) Half Identical, which I already agreed is a point against them.
- I just pointed because you made the difference in your previous post. Wanted to make sure we weren't having any noise in the comprehension.
- Well, I don't find The Shining particularly creepy and I don't think it tells me it is creepy.
About other images people posted. Aside the dolls, I find them all inferior to both The Shining and the Black Lagoon twins.
edited 28th May '11 2:01:12 PM by Heatth
- Fair point. You tend to ignore notability at all cases, which is a stance many of us take. For myself, whenever some images are of more or less equal value, I don't mind putting up (what I judge to be) an iconic one to enrich the page, especially classic works of art. If none of them are that iconic, I may support the one which Needs More Love. This is a tiebreaker, not used until I cannot decide objectively.
- You can, and I agree. However, drawn images do leave room for that ambiguity and I think it's reasonable to mark it as a disadvantage. It's not a big one when the page clearly says "twins", but, like I said, tiebreaker.
- Which is why I chose that image and you didn't.
This might eventually end with a crowner, but we need confirmation on the Shining twins first. "Twins", possibly.
edited 28th May '11 2:13:38 PM by Catalogue
The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.Ah. GIS. Boring, but Practical.
The first is okay, Shark. I like the second. Here it is. (And are you people suggesting the Olsen twins serious or am I missing something?)
edited 28th May '11 2:25:29 PM by Catalogue
The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.Japanese live-action is pretty underrepresented in trope images, but this
is pretty creepy even without any context. (I have no idea what the film is about). Maybe it's just my rampant phobia of knitting foreigners, though.
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Yeah, I don't think we can get this discussion going any further so lets stop here.
Btw, I think I have a completely different definition of 'tiebreaker' then you. If it was 'tied' to me, I wouldn't keep a discussion going so far, myself.
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Oh, yeah, loved that one as well. My favorite now, I believe. Where is it from?
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Disagree. I am not seeing any creepiness here.
edited 28th May '11 2:34:36 PM by Heatth
Eh. I don't see anything creepy there, Artistic Platypus. *
It's from GIS, I believe. No idea, maybe a stock phot——wait, it's from All About Evil. Still no page for that, I see.
edited 28th May '11 2:37:33 PM by Catalogue
The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.Sadly, with no TV Tropes page we cannot really confirm whether they are actual twins.
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Thats not blank.... (how can we even run flamebait crowners like that anyway?)
edited 28th May '11 3:33:56 PM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!
Crown Description:
Picking a New image for Creepy Twins

Yes. In fact they switch apparent gender at least once during the show. Exchanging voices, mannerisms and speaking styles.