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Discussion of religion in the context of LGBTQ+ rights is only allowed in the LGBTQ+ Rights and Religion Thread.

Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBTQ+ rights..." threads.

Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.

Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:53:59 PM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#20801: May 25th 2022 at 4:03:17 PM

An explicit ban can very easily lead to the police leaning on the city council and getting the Pride event banned completely in return.

They’re clearly already leaning on people, both the mayor of the fire department have pulled out of the event because of the ban.

The poor reasoning being provided hurts the argument more than it helps. Claiming that it’s because of potential police uniform induced trauma feels like a cheep excuse and it also importantly offers no way for the police to improve. If we want to use this to push the police to actually make amends and stop their bigoted oppression of the LGBT+ community than that should be said.

Going “the LADP is a institutionally bigoted organisations that hurts LGBT+ people and thus it is not welcome at Pride until it improves” is a clear statement with clear reasoning and a clear connotation for the lifting of the ban. While saying “Some attendees may find police uniforms traumatising” is a dogwhistle that’s meant to suggest the issue of police bigotry without being open about it. As a rule I don’t like dogwhistle politics.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#20802: May 25th 2022 at 4:06:39 PM

I just find this to be a strange hill to die on...

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#20803: May 25th 2022 at 4:55:15 PM

I’m hardly dying on it, I’m just arguing that the situation is being handled poorly.

Believe me, when I decide to die on a hill my posts get a lot more intense than this. tongue

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Lazlo74 from A tropical hell-hole Since: May, 2018
#20804: May 25th 2022 at 7:11:54 PM

[down] Right, sorry about that.

Edited by Lazlo74 on May 25th 2022 at 8:16:26 AM

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#20805: May 25th 2022 at 7:23:40 PM

That sounds like a better fit for LGBT Rights Worldwide thread.

But, uh. Good grief.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#20807: May 26th 2022 at 1:50:29 AM

I long for the day when schools like that would be stripped of federal funding as punishment for their bullshit.

That or have the feds go full desegregation and send the national guard down to ensure gay kids are treated equally.

Edited by Silasw on May 26th 2022 at 9:50:41 AM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#20808: Jun 2nd 2022 at 12:47:33 PM

And here goes Florida, attacking gender affirming care for adults by calling it experimental, which would make it uncoverable by Medicare.

Edited by tclittle on Jun 2nd 2022 at 2:49:08 PM

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#20809: Jun 2nd 2022 at 6:43:12 PM

And Ohio now has a law that can allow anyone to challenge any child athlete and force them to prove their gender by getting a physician's statement. Based on not just external anatomy, but internal anatomy, endogenously produced hormone levels, and genetic makeup.

Because wildly humiliating and attacking children with no cause and overly invasive inspections was the logical step, I guess.

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#20810: Jun 2nd 2022 at 6:53:48 PM

I'm so goddamn tired, y'all...

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#20811: Jun 2nd 2022 at 7:25:57 PM

[up][up] That's, uh...very likely to lead to a lot of really confusing results and huge arguments.

We don't actually know what the rate of "non-standard" chromosome arrangements are or what the rate of non-visibly intersex people is because chromosome karyotyping is done only in cases where an abnormality is extremely strongly suspected, it's not done otherwise.

Also a non-zero chance of someone going around and challenging literally any child athlete they can find.

Edited by Zendervai on Jun 2nd 2022 at 10:26:46 AM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#20813: Jun 2nd 2022 at 9:00:26 PM

Always remember, GOP wants to hurt as many people as possible. Hurting straight kids is just the next step after hurting the LGBT+ ones.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#20814: Jun 2nd 2022 at 9:28:39 PM

You just know the very first thing this will be used for is to harass and ban Black girls from sports. Attacks on trans women and girls have always gone hand in hand with attacks against Black women for being "mannish".

It's been fun.
KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#20815: Jun 3rd 2022 at 1:27:05 AM

[up] Again, for the GOP that's a feature, not a bug.

ciyinwanderer Since: Dec, 2018
#20816: Jun 3rd 2022 at 5:26:02 AM

To be clear the Ohio bill has only passed the House so far. We will see if it gets passed by the Senate and signed by the governor. I don't have a lot of hope for our severely gerrymandered legislature, but there are still a few hurdles that could trip this up before it actually becomes law.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#20817: Jun 3rd 2022 at 5:30:18 AM

[up][up]They didn't imply it was, I'm confident we all know that the GOP is a deeply racist party.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#20818: Jun 3rd 2022 at 5:35:01 AM

I don't think the potential confusion is a feature. What happens if someone challenges the daughter of a major right-wing figure in the community and she turns out to have XY and androgen insensitivity syndrome?

Again, we actually don't know how common chromosome abnormalities like that are and the right-wing consistently either doesn't understand that or refuses to understand it.

It looks like there aren't actually any standards for what counts as a valid challenge, the Ohio GOP are almost certainly just assuming no one would use it against someone who looks cis to them.

Weaponizing the law against the GOP would be really awful for the children (who had nothing to do with it) but I have a feeling someone is likely to try doing that if this bill gets passed.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#20819: Jun 3rd 2022 at 5:37:16 AM

What happens if someone challenges the daughter of a major right-wing figure in the community and she turns out to have XY and androgen insensitivity syndrome?

That's easy - they'll say this is totally OK. Given that LGBT-phobia is one of the principal reasons why children flee their homes, I think it's fair to say that ideology/hatred trump parental love a lot of the time.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#20820: Jun 3rd 2022 at 5:43:32 AM

This isn't even just transphobia. This is also a process of dismantling the safety net.

Cut one benefit that's primary aimed at a group of people not deemed human and no one is going to rush in to defend it. Which makes it easier to cut away at more benefits

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
HeyMikey Since: Jul, 2015
#20823: Jun 10th 2022 at 4:50:31 AM

Both Texas and Florida are making considerations to consider banning having kids in the presence of drag shows. I'm guessing this is based off the "Drag Your Kids to Drag" show at a gay bar called "Mr. Misster" in Dallas that happened a few days ago. From what I've seen, there wasn't anything notably family unfriendly about the show, unless you think men wearing drag performance outfits are inherently family unfriendly. And yet, apparently this is a priority. I'm guessing this will also affect Drag Time story shows that pops up around some places. Now Drag isn't necessarily gay or transgender, but it is considered gender nonconforming and and attempts to regulate this will probably have non-drag LGBT shows.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#20824: Jun 10th 2022 at 6:07:21 AM

And yet, apparently this is a priority.
The citizens of Uvalde must be thrilled...

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#20825: Jun 10th 2022 at 10:30:13 AM

The very existence of LGBT+ is inherently sexual in their eyes. Ergo how they treat them. Hooters is more sexual than what was going on there Ive heard.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 10th 2022 at 10:30:32 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

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