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Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:53:59 PM
Yeah if you've been victimised you'll always be a victim, now your status as someone who's a victim may stop mattering to your and your life, it may stop having an effect on you, but moving past something doesn't stop you being a victim, otherwise we'd only arrest people for crimes that the victim hasn't recovered from, which woudl be stupid.
Oh and a bit more on topic, the lesbian being kicked out of a bathroom in NC video? It's from December, so not connected to the new laws, still shitty though.[1]
It almost sounds like a slur.
edited 28th Apr '16 7:51:14 PM by flameboy21th
Non Indicative UsernameGarridob, no one else defines victim the way you do in English. It's not a forever all defining state. All it means is that at some point, something happened to you. That's it. It's not a slur, it's not some perpetual thing. Please take your personal dictionary to the semantics thread of you want to keep arguing about it but your personal definition of the word is not on topic.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickAnd now that unpleasantness is done.
A bill has been put forth that will ban conversion "therapy" nationwide.
I dunno. Worth noting also that a petition to consider "conversion therapy" as a form of fraud on regulatory level (i.e by a federal government directive) rather than legislatively is also mentioned in the article.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Compelled to get treatment for the "conversion therapy"? Yes. A critical intervention to prevent self-harm if ever I saw one.
Because that's what "conversion therapy" is: letting it happen is like watching somebody take a razor to their wrists and not doing anything.
It doesn't work. There is no scientific basis. It's torture and quackery and should be stopped. Just like "religious education camps for troubled teens" should be stamped out and recognised for the abuse mills they are.
edited 29th Apr '16 4:44:37 AM by Euodiachloris
I think you may have confused "conversion therapy" (quotes marks are intended) with transitioning, garridob.
They are very different things. This
is what conversion therapy is like. Not a lot of people voluntarily go for it, for a very good reason. Not to mention those who claim to have "gotten over their dirty sodomite feelings" only to relapse soon after.
They will have to accept the disappointment of discovering that what they want isn't available, because it doesn't exist. The bill isn't banning a medical practise, it's officially declaring that a fake medical practise that doesn't work is fake.
It puts 'conversion therapy' in the same catagory as other fake medical procedures that people are conned into getting, which is where it belongs.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI completely agree it doesn't work. And yeah, if it claims to work, that's probably fraud. If there's something like "homeopathy" for homosexuals, though, I don't see how that's dangerous.
Is all reparative therapy physically dangerous?
I don't see why you couldn't try it with psychoanalysis, for example, which seems like it should be open to consenting (if deluded) customers.
edited 29th Apr '16 4:56:44 AM by garridob
Great men are almost never good men, they say. One wonders what philosopher of the good would value the impotence of his disciples.Conversion therapy is a choice like asking a stranger to stab you in the face is a choice. It's illegal for that person to do it whether you want them to or not, and your request indicates a serious mental aberration on your part.
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I really don't see why physical harm has to be the only metric by which reparative therapy can be judged as harmful. Psychological harm
is very real, regardless of what STEMlords claim.
And I'm willing to say that homeopathy is dangerous. Catching an infectious disease because some moron thought a massively diluted herb would fix it is not my idea of fun.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot

edited 28th Apr '16 5:27:46 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran