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Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:53:59 PM

Elfive (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#18576: Mar 2nd 2016 at 7:46:59 AM

Does save on having to put the seat up or down.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#18577: Mar 2nd 2016 at 8:08:53 AM

Even then, you can't really see anything at urinals

Says you.

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Schild und Schwert der Partei
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#18578: Mar 2nd 2016 at 8:12:06 AM

Sex-segregated bathrooms are probably a legacy from the days of public baths, sure you're not going to see anyone's bits in a modern bathroom, but in a Roman bathouse? That was simply how the system worked, I do wonder though, when did the concept of a public restroom come about in the modern sense?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#18579: Mar 2nd 2016 at 8:12:38 AM

If memory serves, the rationale for gender separated bathrooms is a) intimacy and b) to not provide an attack vector for sexual harassers.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#18580: Mar 2nd 2016 at 3:45:28 PM

I'm not sure how the "attack vector" thing makes any sense at all. Why would attacks be more likely to occur in bathrooms? While surely there would sometimes be a man and woman alone in a bathroom, and maybe a sexual predator would consider that an opportunity, how is that different from literally any other room or hallway where the same could happen? It's not like it's any less likely for someone else to walk in randomly, in fact it's probably more likely than other rooms that might have known schedules.

edited 2nd Mar '16 3:46:53 PM by Clarste

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#18581: Mar 2nd 2016 at 3:52:26 PM

I think the logic goes that a person is more likely to launch an attack if they're in a room where you get your bits out. So a predator wouldn't attack someone in a random room, but they would if they saw someone unzipping their trousers to go to the bathroom.

I don't agree with that logic, but I'd guess that that's what it is.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#18583: Mar 3rd 2016 at 12:27:25 AM

So in the US at least it was done alongside everything else (trains, reading rooms and similar), but when we de-segregated that stuff we didn't de-segregate the bathrooms.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Khudzlin Since: Nov, 2013
#18584: Mar 3rd 2016 at 4:22:39 AM

I think urinals are meant to increase throughput. After all, it's faster if you don't have to go into a stall and sit down, then get up and out.

Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Mikon :3
#18585: Mar 3rd 2016 at 10:49:14 AM

Violent criminal demands she be allowed to do a PSA instead of spend a few months in prison for assault on a gay couple.

She says she has learned her lesson. I think the only thing she's learned is to say you're sorry when you attack people in the street, and then you can get off with community service.

hellomoto Since: Sep, 2015
#18586: Mar 3rd 2016 at 4:19:07 PM

Does her assault and flippant reasoning have anything to do with the couple being gay?

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#18587: Mar 3rd 2016 at 6:02:21 PM

There are states where people are respected ... and then there's Kentucky. Emphasis mine.

Boy, it must be nice to live in a state that isn't facing a disaster due to its pension liabilities. And in a state where education is championed and successful. A state where it is easy to climb from poverty, to overcome the loss of industry, and where individuals are treated with respect.

But, of course, we don't live in such a state. We live in Kentucky.

And Kentucky's pension liabilities are disastrous, its education system a joke, and images of poverty here look like something from the Great Depression.

But those are difficult problems to address and Frankfort is populated with opportunistic, grandstanding, unimaginative, ignorant, bigoted, and flat-out mean legislators. These lawmakers lack the courage, the strength, and the knowledge to make Kentucky a better place for kids to live, a more prosperous state for businesses to grow, and a healthier state where families can thrive.

So instead they waste our time and our tax dollars fighting desperately to keep the Commonwealth on the wrong side of history.

In Kentucky, where the stakes are always so high, why is State Rep. Joe Fischer (R-Ft. Thomas) wasting time and energy on a worthless attempt to skirt the United States Supreme Court's ruling that allows same-sex marriage nationwide? House Bill 572 was introduced in the House of Representatives this week and presented to its Judiciary Committee for review. The proposed legislation has been dubbed "The Matrimonial Freedom Act". It is a companion bill to HB 571, a proposed constitutional amendment that would only permit "matrimony" between one man and one woman as recognized in the Commonwealth.

For a state that worships the horse, Kentucky sure knows how to beat a dead one.

Fischer's laughable and desperate attempt to undermine the nation's highest court all because more people in Kentucky now have the same right to marry that he has, is not the only despicable and transparently hateful legislation to grace the floor of our General Assembly.

Already, the State Senate passed a bill that requires two separate marriage licenses in Kentucky. You guessed it: one for straight couples and one for gay couples.

Remember when southern hospitality was a thing? Kentucky doesn't.

Unsatisfied with its separate-but-equal marriage license legislation, lawmakers are also kicking around a piece of legislation that would gut local ordinances adopted in eight Kentucky cities that recognize that we live in the 21st century and that gay rights ought to be protected. We can't have Kentucky cities looking to mimic Sodom, Gomorra, or San Francisco, now can we? Nope! So lawmakers want to make sure that progressive corners of the Bluegrass State like Louisville, Lexington, Covington, Frankfort, Vicco, Danville, Midway, and Morehead stay frozen in time like a display at Big Bone Lick State Park. Senate Bill 180 would allow businesses to decline to offer their services to gay customers, without threat of repercussions.

These are the pieces of legislation that matter to some of our state legislators, currently gathered in the capital of a state that is on the bottom of every list you want to be on top of, and on the top of every list you want to be on the bottom of.

And now we climb towards the top of the list of the most unwelcoming, uncaring, and hateful states, too. And for what? Because homosexuality makes some of these legislators uncomfortable? Well, here's an idea: STOP TALKING ABOUT IT SO MUCH. Most gay people don't think about gay people as much as these lawmakers.

Many of us have seen society change and we're either cool with it or just recognize it for what it is, change. Change that has come about in the way that our system of government is designed for it to.

March Madness is a trademarked term used by CBS to promote the annual NCAA men's basketball tournament, a special time of year in Kentucky. It shouldn't also apply to the serious business of 21st century governance in a state that relies on 19th century industries and holds on to 20th century societal views. The stakes are too high. Joe Fischer and the others who have supported these unnecessary and heinous pieces of legislation are like that college basketball team that played a solid game until close to the end when the game is out of reach, but they keep fouling anyway, just to stretch out the clock and to make the crowd wait before it can truly celebrate victory.

These bills are intentional fouls.

Now, if only it were so easy to eject these legislators from the game.

Grow up, Kentucky lawmakers. Take a minute to look around and see the real problems facing this Commonwealth and if the best answers you have to our state's problems is to wage war on gay people here, then pack your things and go home. You are the wrong person for this job in this very serious time in our state's history.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Mikon :3
#18588: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:29:28 AM

Well, she and the other attackers used homophobic slurs, so I'm doubting the assault was based on their views towards early 20th century Surrealist art. tongue

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#18590: Mar 7th 2016 at 4:11:51 PM

On a better note, a Georgia GOPer spoke up against their "religious freedom bill, drawing specifically on the Bible for his opposition.

Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal (R) broke ranks with his state’s conservative lawmakers on Thursday in speaking out against a proposed “religious freedom” bill, Towleroad reported.

“I think what the New Testament teaches us is that Jesus reached out to those who were considered the outcasts, the ones that did not conform to the religious societies’ view of the world and said to those of belief, ‘This is what I want you to do,'” Deal said after a ribbon-cutting ceremony in Atlanta. “We do not have a belief — in my way of looking at religion — that says we have to discriminate against anybody. If you were to apply those standards to the teaching of Jesus, I don’t think they fit.”

The measure, which was passed with bipartisan support in the state Senate, would allow clergy to opt out of performing same-sex marriages, and protect “a person or faith-based organization who believes, speaks, or acts in accordance with certain sincerely held religious beliefs” from incurring any penalties from the state government.

The bill has already drawn comparisons to heavily-criticized measures in Arkansas and Indiana which were ultimately walked back. But despite stating his belief that marriage is between a man and a woman, Deal has said that this type of legislation is “not one of those issues that I have been pushing.”

We are not jeopardized, in my opinion, by those who believe differently from us,” Deal said. “We are not, in my opinion, put in jeopardy by virtue of those who might hold different beliefs or who may not even agree with what our Supreme Court said the law of the land is on the issue of same-sex marriage. I do not feel threatened by the fact that people who might choose same-sex marriages pursue that route.”

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#18591: Mar 7th 2016 at 6:52:23 PM

Wait there are elected Republicans in Georgia who've actually read the New Testament and follow it?

When did this happen?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#18592: Mar 7th 2016 at 6:55:46 PM

And he's primaried in 3... 2...

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#18593: Mar 8th 2016 at 10:19:36 AM

[up][up] Well, one of them, anyway.

[up] [lol] But sadly, you're probably right.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#18595: Mar 25th 2016 at 6:01:40 AM

That's a bad hill to die on outside of already-red states. It's not something you're going to get crossover voters on, even if Trans folk are less accepted by hetero-cis people. The times are just changing too fast for it to get a lot of play outside of GOP strongholds.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#18596: Mar 28th 2016 at 9:03:42 AM

Georgia governor Nathan Deal (R) has vetoed a "religious liberty" bill aimed at allowing faith based organizations to refuse services to LGB Tetc people.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/28/us/georgia-north-carolina-lgbt-bills/index.html

He almost certainly did this because a few big businesses threatened to cost his state money and jobs if it this was passed, but its something.

edited 28th Mar '16 9:04:24 AM by Rationalinsanity

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#18597: Mar 29th 2016 at 7:59:15 AM

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo banning state sponsored travel to North Carolina to protest NC's anti-LGBT law.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#18599: Mar 30th 2016 at 1:33:34 PM

If they start bailing from the state, then we can talk. A press release is cheap, bailing not necessarily so.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#18600: Mar 30th 2016 at 10:01:20 PM

About time. With the news I was getting, I was starting to think NC didn't have any such businesses, while Georgia was getting all the coverage.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."

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