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Discussion of religion in the context of LGBTQ+ rights is only allowed in the LGBTQ+ Rights and Religion Thread.

Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBTQ+ rights..." threads.

Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.

Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:53:59 PM

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#10577: Apr 16th 2013 at 8:41:35 AM

@midgetsnowman: Especially as some in the GOP are against teaching critical thinking.

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#10578: Apr 16th 2013 at 8:41:36 AM

Pious Liberals... you mean like people who read TheGuardian?

edited 16th Apr '13 8:41:54 AM by TheHandle

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#10579: Apr 16th 2013 at 8:45:10 AM

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They form only one fraction of the Guardian's readership. I would characterize a substantial number of Guardian readers as the "Loony Left". Still, they are better than the Telegraph, and streets ahead of the Mail and, (*shudder) the Express.

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#10581: Apr 16th 2013 at 8:47:17 AM

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British Newspapers are dreadful. Seriously, I'd take the Enquirer ahead of the Sun, Star, or the Mirror.

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Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#10582: Apr 16th 2013 at 9:26:16 AM

Why can't we have more "You believe what you want to believe" politicians? How long will it take before politicians to stop arguing against gay marriage purely on a religious basis?

edited 16th Apr '13 9:29:10 AM by Wildcard

Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
#10583: Apr 16th 2013 at 9:47:18 AM

[up]Well, the answer to this and to some of your earlier questions are the obvious "the U.S. is a constitutional republic" business. Hope I'm not dealing in the over-obvious, but if you want someone with certain views out of office, you vote for some other candidate, or you lobby/exercise your speech rights to persuade other voters or advance the fortunes of other candidates.

Hope I wasn't misinterpreting a question that you meant to be rhetorical.

LMage Since: May, 2011
#10584: Apr 16th 2013 at 9:49:55 AM

The way the system is set up however, their is disproportional representation of rural areas with low population which tend to be conservative and religious in equal parts. The end result being that they are represented despite making up far less of the population.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#10585: Apr 16th 2013 at 9:51:53 AM

[up][up]You misunderstood me. I don't want people with certain beliefs out of office, (except for bigots) just for having those beliefs. I just don't want them to mandate purely religious beliefs that not everyone shares by law. I'd like a time when that is considered bad form.

edited 16th Apr '13 9:56:43 AM by Wildcard

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#10586: Apr 16th 2013 at 9:52:27 AM

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This,

This is actually one of the biggest flaws in places like missouri. St Louis and Kansas City are quite progressive minded places and hold quite a lot of the state population.

But they're a grand totals of 2 voting districts. Meaning all the other parts of the state with small towns and rural voters outnumber them in the state legislature a million to one.

When your only liberal places are 2 major cities and a few of the more upscale college towns (like Warrensburg, Columbia, and Springfield), you end up with one part of the populace that happens to simply have more, if less populous districts controlling the state conversation.

edited 16th Apr '13 9:54:21 AM by Midgetsnowman

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#10587: Apr 16th 2013 at 9:58:09 AM

Then again, thanks to the Internet, some decentralization might offset this, right?

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#10588: Apr 16th 2013 at 9:59:12 AM

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I doubt it. I find that in my hometown, of the people who can afford reliable internet, they're more likely to just seek out pages that confirm their ideas.

And thats supposing they can get reliable internet. Which in the rural parts of the state is a bit more of a tossup than it is in the city. And by a bit I mean a lot.

Unlike most of the developed world, the US internet infrastructure is kind of terrible.

edited 16th Apr '13 10:01:25 AM by Midgetsnowman

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#10589: Apr 16th 2013 at 10:31:17 AM

Internet is expensive in Arkansas. I have it through my cell phone or I go to a friend's house. But what Midget says goes here too, if not worse because of your ability to filter the internet. At least with television you may get a commercial here and there or at least see something when flipping through, but internet? No such luck.

Also people here are poorly educated on both sides of the political spectrum so many people that would be more open to using the internet don't have the skill set to navigate it.

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#10590: Apr 16th 2013 at 10:55:12 AM

Put a kid in front of a computer and see how long it takes them to find /b/; not that long. The thing is, children learn to use tech quite easily, as long as the interface is simple enough and tinkering doesn't lead to catastrophic results.

But I'm really surprised: whenever I post anything of anything, US readers usually outnumber those every other nation combined, and by a fair margin. I've grown to believe that the USA are the most wired country in the universe.

edited 16th Apr '13 10:58:01 AM by TheHandle

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#10591: Apr 16th 2013 at 10:57:12 AM

Ask a 40 year old who believes the earth is only 6000 years old in front of google. it's halarious. it's like watching a tire fire.

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#10592: Apr 16th 2013 at 11:00:51 AM

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Newp.

We just have a lot of people with internet willing to bitch from sopaboxes violently.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#10593: Apr 16th 2013 at 11:01:20 AM

If I had the money, I'd personally buy you a plane ticket and a bottle of champagne to go and say this to Fred Phelps's face, just to see the smug bastard shrink.

I don't think FP would shrink to that. He would probably say we should outlaw that too and he says God hates everyone who disagrees with him.

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Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#10596: Apr 16th 2013 at 11:47:44 AM

I object! The actual stereotype is Christians were born into it and choose to stay from parental guilt.

Ship you and I agree on a lot but this isn't one of those things. The gay rights focus isn't about Christians or Republicans or humiliating them at all. The only reason some have resorted to that tactic is because they have been a roadblock against this social change for so long when they could have stayed out of it with no negative repercussion for them. Just as Christianity has sometimes been twisted by others, (you have said many are not real Christians) to mean "I want people who disagree with me to burn in hell" doesn't mean the focus is on it, it just means some people are using it wrong.

It would also help if a lot of the conservatives something we could agree on. Most of the arguments have been to "The Bible is against gay marriage" when many do not believe in God. Even Bill O Riley admitted that. If they had some more arguments than just that than maybe there would be something to understand.

edited 16th Apr '13 11:51:11 AM by Wildcard

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#10598: Apr 16th 2013 at 12:05:52 PM

That I can agree with. I wonder the same thing about the conservatives on other websites. The focus should always be on the cause, never the people against it.

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#10599: Apr 16th 2013 at 12:07:12 PM

I start to wonder what they're truly fighting for.

They're fighting to be right. Not for what's right, but to be right. You do get a fair number of people on the left who define themselves as 'left' by putting themselves in opposition of what they see as the 'right'. It's the same blindness that you see on the Right, people who are not interested in doing what is right, simply in proving that they are right.

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#10600: Apr 16th 2013 at 12:07:16 PM

Sorry Max, but I don't demand equal treatment just to spite Christians or conservatives. I demand equal treatment because it's what I deserve as a fellow human being. That conservatives and Christians do things that make me angry sometimes doesn't change that.


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