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Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:53:59 PM

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#10201: Apr 6th 2013 at 2:05:04 PM

I guess he is in a tough position huh? I wish the majority of the state was for marriage equality.

Arkansas doesn't mind showing faces.

What does this mean?

edited 6th Apr '13 2:05:39 PM by Wildcard

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#10202: Apr 6th 2013 at 2:16:53 PM

Being two faced. Talking out of one side of your mouth, just another phrase for being a hypocrite.

The day the majority of Arkansas is for any sort of liberal cause is the day I will have a heart attack. This state has a shit ton of issues worthy of its own thread.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#10203: Apr 6th 2013 at 3:35:56 PM

On that note, the last thing we want is Democratic Senators in swing/light red states committing political suicide by endorsing gay marriage. The likely result is that they get defeated by Republicans running on a anti-gay agenda that will actively screw over the LGBT cause (among other things). In the real world pragmatism has its advantages over courage.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#10204: Apr 6th 2013 at 3:45:47 PM

[up]

which is why Mc Caskill coming out for it worries me.

Keep in mind, before his rape comments, Todd Akin was projected to defeat her here in missouri.

And the republicans of the state united behind him anyways after he said it.

edited 6th Apr '13 3:46:07 PM by Midgetsnowman

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#10205: Apr 6th 2013 at 4:58:50 PM

She isn't contesting in 6 years time and the public has a short memory. And frankly I'm not optimistic about getting lucky with another Akin twice in a row.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#10206: Apr 6th 2013 at 5:00:23 PM

How much can attitudes about this change in six years?

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#10207: Apr 6th 2013 at 5:19:28 PM

[up]

We can only hope.

My main worry is Alaska's Mark Begich who also recently endorsed gay marriage.

He's up for reelection in 2014, and the only reason he won election in 2008 was because a conservative third party candidate managed to siphon off enough votes from the Republican Candidate.

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#10208: Apr 7th 2013 at 12:16:30 AM

Actually, because the incumbent was caught in a corruption scandal.

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#10209: Apr 7th 2013 at 5:14:01 AM
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#10210: Apr 7th 2013 at 7:03:11 AM
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#10212: Apr 8th 2013 at 12:23:39 PM

But... that's a lie, isn't it?

You can't make teachers lie to children, can you?

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#10213: Apr 8th 2013 at 12:32:44 PM

How naive. Of course you can; we do it all the time. The question is whether the lies are politically acceptable.

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Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
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#10214: Apr 8th 2013 at 12:34:30 PM

To clarify on the Alabama/homosexuality/legality situation:

Same-sex sexual activity has been legal in Alabama since 2003, when the United States Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas struck down all state sodomy laws. The state's sodomy law, although unenforceable, has not been repealed by the Alabama Legislature.

So it's technically on the books, but if they try to enforce it, the executive branch of the federal government gets to smack 'em down.

edited 8th Apr '13 12:34:43 PM by Karkadinn

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#10215: Apr 8th 2013 at 12:43:33 PM

Wait, Lawrence v. Texas was 2003? It's a lot disappointingly younger than I thought.

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#10216: Apr 8th 2013 at 12:50:14 PM

[up][up][up]We make them omit stuff, and there's History Marches On and Science Marches On that can make some of the stuff taught outdated, and sometimes there are simplifications made for the sake of pedagogy, and there's political interpretations of previous events, but you can't make a teacher teach outright lies, that's...

...

It's unthinkable, is what it is. No, it's outright unforgivable. You can't stand to a child as the source of all truth and knowledge, the one charged with correcting their mistakes and judging their understanding, and lie to them.

Am I the only one who's extremely serious about this shit? This reminds me of the time in 2003 where they burned Baghdad's National Library and I was the only kid in school openly crying about it. Do I have Skewed Priorities?

edited 8th Apr '13 12:50:53 PM by TheHandle

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#10217: Apr 8th 2013 at 12:53:24 PM

....I'm honestly horrified. I knew Alabama was homophobic (in general, not gonna attack any of the people there), but holy shit

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#10218: Apr 8th 2013 at 12:55:46 PM

[up][up] As has been pointed out they aren't technically making the teachers lie. Homosexuality is illegal and a jailable offense in Alabama. They are just having the teachers say that while omitting the fact that the law that makes it an offense has been ruled unconstitutional. So they aren't lying, just omitting stuff, very important stuff.

edited 8th Apr '13 12:56:04 PM by Silasw

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#10219: Apr 8th 2013 at 12:57:00 PM

Alabama's teachers need to stage a walkout over that. Of course, how many of them believe that it should be illegal?

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Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#10220: Apr 8th 2013 at 1:02:08 PM

It's times like this that make me think the vast majority of Americans have a strong opinion about whether homosexuality should be okay, a definite yes or a definite no.

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
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#10221: Apr 8th 2013 at 1:10:37 PM

Given recent electoral high jinks, I don't think it's necessarily safe to say that the politicians making the laws - particularly in rural states - are even representative of the overall opinions of the regional population. I mean, I'm sure it's no overall gay-friendly atmosphere over there, but still.

Look at it this way. If they can't enforce the original 'homosexuality is illegal' law, how much more luck will they have getting teachers to enforce a derivation of it?

edited 8th Apr '13 1:11:38 PM by Karkadinn

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#10222: Apr 8th 2013 at 1:12:24 PM

I don't know, it seems like there still is a lot more resistance of gay rights from the general population than if they had a "who cares" attitude about it.

[up]I don't know. But whatever they try it seems like they will hold on tight to trying to enforce it.

edited 8th Apr '13 1:13:26 PM by Wildcard

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#10223: Apr 8th 2013 at 1:23:10 PM

I doubt they will have much luck forcing teachers to do it, but it gives legal cover to those homophobic ones who want to.

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#10224: Apr 8th 2013 at 1:23:41 PM

Yes, same-sex relations have been legal in    Alabama    since 2003.

No, to my knowledge there's no law against bullshitting impressionable youth.

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#10225: Apr 8th 2013 at 1:26:25 PM

And then they'll grow up in closets, horrified of themselves, liars to the world... ugh...

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